Do Amsoil dealers represent Amsoil?

[GMorg]

I recently defended Amsoil ATF in another thread. My point was that Amsoil did not say that ATF was approved for DexVI, but that they recommended it for those applications. Perhaps the Amsoil product is even better than DexVI approved fluids for many applications where GM recommends DexVI. I had no problems with Amsoil's position. I am not an Amsoil basher. I have defended their products more than once on this forum.

Today, I found an Amsoil dealer's website that says Amsoil ATF "Now Meets Dexron VI, Mercon SP, Honda Z-1 and Nissan Matic J & K". As far as I can tell, that statement is not just deceptive, it is incorrect.

Does anyone know if Amsoil dealers are considered as representatives by the Amsoil company? Does Amsoil know or care when their dealers are less than accurate?

Please do not link to a non paying sponsor website. Thanks.

 

[ConfederateTyrant]

No we (I say we because I am a dealer) are not to represent ourselves as officical representatives of the Amsoil company. Also, we are not to state things that Amsoil has not released in literature, and Amsoil has never stated that it meets those specifications. However, Amsoil has said it is a recommended replacement for applications that require those specifications.

I think Amsoil does care, but there are so many jack*** dealers that make the rest of us look bad that they can't remove them one by one. If there are complaints against one dealer, then they will probably be warned, and if more persists, then possibly have their dealer contract revoked.

I made a blog a while back on the subject of idiot dealers, but it is no longer public as I was threatened by one of the dealers that my blog described (no names were used, by the way). But there are good dealers on this site, and I have met quite a few others that were truthful and honest, so I commend all of them.

 

[Pablo]

#1 - please remove that unauthorized link - simply not permitted by BiTOG.
#2 - no we don't WORK for Amsoil, but we do have a contract with Amsoil.
#3 - He is wrong to have that statement on his site and it is not an official statement.
#4 - Amsoil sites need to be authorized by Amsoil and I don't see this on his site.

 

[wileyE]

1st off I'm nuetral on amsoil, used to be kind of down on it from past experience with dealers and some of the products. This site has revealed that there are good dealers, thus the upgrade to nuetral.
Through the years I've noticed amsoil will always have a product listed for an application regardless of whether it meets spec or not. Not to leave a niche uncovered. Then after a period of time they usually fill the niche with a spec product.

 

[o2man98]

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#4 - Amsoil sites need to be authorized by Amsoil and I don't see this on his site.

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Pablo, You are wrong.

AMSOIL dealers do not HAVE to register and get the sites approved by AMSOIL. It is the choice of the individual dealer.

 

[dkcase]

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I looked at the site linked. I didn't see where it made the claim in question. I think it shouldn't be linked here, even as a bad example...

 

[Syntec-Man]

What is up with upsetting the sponsers on this site, you can't even post links i mean common everything upsets the site sponsers!!! Loosen up bobistheoilguy

 

[Pablo]

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#4 - Amsoil sites need to be authorized by Amsoil and I don't see this on his site.

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Pablo, You are wrong.

AMSOIL dealers do not HAVE to register and get the sites approved by AMSOIL. It is the choice of the individual dealer.

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I don't think I'm wrong. Read G1781, page 2, He is violating 1. Amsoil dealers must register their sites....
2. Only Amsoil approved content may be used....
3. Dealer website shall identify name, physical location...

And other rules as well.

 

[Pablo]

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What is up with upsetting the sponsers on this site, you can't even post links i mean common everything upsets the site sponsers!!! Loosen up bobistheoilguy

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When you pay my site sponsor fee for me, I'll loosen up. I'm not upset, but we do have rules. If people buy from this loser - how many of his dollars come back here?

 

[GMorg]

I offer my apologies for the link. People tend to want evidence. I tried to provide the evidence. Again, my apologies to the site and to the sponsors - your support is appreciated by me.

Now as for Pablo's comment, "If people buy from this loser - how many of his dollars come back here?" I can't really answer this question without knowing where this guy fits in the Amsoil distribution system. (just a joke)

By the way, the link appeared to be a part of a group of Canadian Amsoil dealers. As such, I don't know if a single guy was the culprit or if a small consortium was at fault.

 

[Pablo]

No apologies necessary. Yeah it was like a dealer and his signed up buddies and some resellers. Amsoil obviously doesn't have the resources to police sites like this.

 

[wileyE]

Amsoils home site makes the same atf spec claims as the linked site? or is one right and the other wrong because of the verbage "meets" and "recommended"? when you list the spec the consumer (and dealers) can only assume it's the correct product?

 

[GMorg]

I have no problems with the "recommended" language. I have things recommended to me every day. However the "meets" language creates claims. It is not just that someone is recommending something, but that someone is claiming that a product meets the specifications. I've seen people here recommend flushing an engine with transmission fluid. That is very different than saying that transmission fluid meets the manufactures specs for engine oil or an engine flush.

 

[PT1]

We wouldn't have these problems if Exxon Mobil were the sponsor on this site.......

They just wouldn't tell anybody anything....therefore nothing to defend...

 

[Stooge]

Answer the original question - What is the difference between "Recommended for use in this application," and "Certified replacement fluid?" I understand that Amsoil and others do not get specific certifications because 1) it costs money, 2) many tests for "Certification" are not applicable to real world uses of the fluid, 3) the fluid is actually better and many tests actually FAIL a fluid because it is BETTER (because it does NOT meet the specification), and many after-market suppliers actually make better things (fluids for one) than the EOM's and think EOM testing and certification is folly.

One glaring example,outside of Amsoil products, is BMW's recommendations to use BMW "Fully Synthetic" oil in their new cars. The owners manuals say this but also says the oil should have the following X,Y,Z certifications. The BMW oil has no such certifications, not even the StarBurst everyone loves. The BMW oil label also says RECOMMENDED for the following service applications, not "CERTIFIED."

Having used Amsoil Universal ATF in many applications, I personally would use it ANYWHERE they recommend, regardless of the so-called "Certifications," which could be or could not be significant.

 

[TeeDub]

GMorg,

It would be more correct to say it meets/exceeds the "performance specifications" of these ATF applications....

From time to time, Amsoil will release some ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials), test data that shows how their ATF compares to a required bench test for these various ATF specifications. For example in the "Vickers Vane Pump Test" (ASTM D-2882) - part of the Dexron VI spec - the test limit is 10 mg of wear. The Amsoil ATF generates only 2.8 mg of wear in this tightly controlled test.

I'd use the Amsoil ATF with confidence in any application where they are specifically recommending it...

TD

 

[Mike_dup1]

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Does anyone know if Amsoil dealers are considered as representatives by the Amsoil company? Does Amsoil know or care when their dealers are less than accurate?

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An AMSOIL Dealer operates the business as an independent Dealer of AMSOIL products. As such, there is no employee relationship with AMSOIL. The relationship between AMSOIL and its Dealers is on a Vendor/Vendee basis. No AMSOIL Dealer shall verbally, or in writing, use the terms “agent,” “supervisor,” “manager,” “company representative” or any other similar terminology which implies employer/employee relationship.

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[INDYMAC]

Although I have only purchased AMSOIL once and thought it was a very good product (10W30 7500XL), I only have a vague idea how their marketing skeem works. I think if you want to do business with AMSOIL, then Pablo would be great distributor to try. I don't know who the other site sponsors are, but Pablo always seems to have excellent product knowledge, a passionate yet mature enthusiasm for his products, and will always honestly compare his products to the competition. Thanks for being the site sponsor so others like myself can learn Pablo.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

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#4 - Amsoil sites need to be authorized by Amsoil and I don't see this on his site.

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Pablo, You are wrong.

AMSOIL dealers do not HAVE to register and get the sites approved by AMSOIL. It is the choice of the individual dealer.

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I would have to agree with this statement. If you want to be an Officially Registered Site with the Approved Logo...then you have to get approval. If you have what they want and don't get approval....what's they going to do? The Spirit of the Law vs. the Letter of the Law...or Both?

 

[Pablo]

I suppose you could do your own site without approval - but the minute you have a link to Amsoil.com, then you violate the policy. And it's silly to have a dealer site with no links to HQ. Just my opinion. And beware!