DIY Ultra enhancement to Fram Ultra...

[BHopkins]

What else do most of those million mile vehicles have in common?

Most of the million mile club members follow the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval.

The idea behind placing neodymium magnets on the oil filter of a car engine is to attract and hold metal particles that have been worn off the engine components and are circulating in the oil. This would theoretically reduce the amount of metallic debris that could contribute to further engine wear.

However, the effectiveness of this practice is debated. Modern oil filters are designed to capture particles down to very small sizes that should protect the engine from significant wear. Also, not all metallic particles in the engine oil are ferromagnetic, meaning magnets won't attract them.

Furthermore, neodymium magnets can lose their magnetism over time due to high temperatures in the engine, which could decrease their effectiveness.

While it's unlikely to cause harm, the best way to reduce wear and tear on an engine is through regular oil changes with high-quality oil and maintaining the engine.

Agreed. All correct.

I mean… cut it open after 7500 miles. Only remove the magnets after its cut. Take pictures and let us know. This will prove pretty much what It does or does not do!

Many will cut open oil filters that have had magnets on them, and see a large amount of very fine, almost paste like, ferrous material on the inside of the can where the magnets were located. They use this as absolutely conclusive evidence that the filters are protecting the engine from wear, that all that material would have caused.

This logic ignores the fact that filter magnets are placed on the outside of the filter canister - where the unfiltered oil is, before it passes through the filter media. Without magnets present on the filter canister, this ferrous material may very well have been captured by the filter media. Without performing particle size analysis on this ferrous material collected by magnets, and comparing that to the rated efficiency of the filter, we may never know if this material would have been captured without the magnets.

What we do know is that there are all kinds of engines that last for hundreds of thousands of miles, even over a million miles, as pointed out by @wpod. And, at least to the best of my research on Million Mile club members, none of them report using magnets on their oil filters.

But hey, if it makes you feel good, go for it!!!

 

[UncleDave]

Most of the million mile club members follow the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval.



Agreed. All correct.



Many will cut open oil filters that have had magnets on them, and see a large amount of very fine, almost paste like, ferrous material on the inside of the can where the magnets were located. They use this as absolutely conclusive evidence that the filters are protecting the engine from wear, that all that material would have caused.

This logic ignores the fact that filter magnets are placed on the outside of the filter canister - where the unfiltered oil is, before it passes through the filter media. Without magnets present on the filter canister, this ferrous material may very well have been captured by the filter media. Without performing particle size analysis on this ferrous material collected by magnets, and comparing that to the rated efficiency of the filter, we may never know if this material would have been captured without the magnets.

What we do know is that there are all kinds of engines that last for hundreds of thousands of miles, even over a million miles, as pointed out by @wpod. And, at least to the best of my research on Million Mile club members, none of them report using magnets on their oil filters.

But hey, if it makes you feel good, go for it!!!

It's relatively easy to attain high miles with any engine, but the real question is how tight is that engine compared to new - a leak down tells you what you have and without that its meaningless.

It's super easy to inspect what the filter will and will not hold with a filter change at the back of the OCI.

If you believe the research that Filtermag did their claim is that a set of their mags is good for between 1 and three ISO code drops in cleanliness. This is significant if true.

Jim and Barton Fitch do a great analysis on why it's worthwhile to use magnets wherever you can over at machinery lubrication magazine. There are numerous benefits across the spectrum.

its true it matter less on a regular car - however when you up the duty cycle and continuous load the wear begins to accelerate.

 

[Ihatetochangeoil]

i bought a magnetic drain plug, mostly to see how much metal it would collect. i doubt the amount of metal captured by the magnet makes a significant difference in the life of the vehicle

I'm not trying to sound argumentative; but neither of us have real proof either way. This is from a previous drain; and I do have magnetic plugs on all my vehicles. Full disclosure: This drain plug is from a transmission with 184K on it, and the transmission failed less than 90 days after this picture was taken. I'd say this picture was impending doom.

 

[haggler]

How about cutting it open after 15,656 miles? Here's the last one I did. It's after dark and the pictures weren't easy. I normally run Amsoil, so a temporary "switch" to Fram is near sacrilege. View attachment 156290View attachment 156291View attachment 156292View attachment 156293

I agree with others have said. I could see using a magnetic plug but that stuff would probably be trapped by the media.

 

[D60]

You're also covered if a smokin' hot blonde Terminator comes after you!

 

[Ihatetochangeoil]

I agree with others have said. I could see using a magnetic plug but that stuff would probably be trapped by the media.

Neither of us can prove that either way, so I regard your statement as speculation, which you are free to do, and maybe you admitted that by the use of the word "probably." And I do use magnetic drain plugs. Have you paid any attention to what Uncle Dave has posted? That fellow, Jim Fitch, try googling him.

 

[Thermo1223]

Might pull metal from places that need metal?

First thought. You are pulling all that moly out of suspension! Those gravitational forces are sapping power away from your crank!

 

[haggler]

Neither of us can prove that either way, so I regard your statement as speculation, which you are free to do, and maybe you admitted that by the use of the word "probably." And I do use magnetic drain plugs. Have you paid any attention to what Uncle Dave has posted? That fellow, Jim Fitch, try googling him.

Sorry, I don't follow. What I'm trying to say is that since the magnets are on the dirty side, that crap would more likely than not be captured by the media. In contrast, a drain plug magnet would capture any metal from oil returned to the pan not captured by the media. I'd say the latter would be more useful, but I don't run either. Everything on this forum is speculation and anecdotal.