Discussion: whats your ideal " doomsday vehicle"
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The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
True, but finding something for the horse to graze on would probably be easier than finding viable gas.
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
True, but finding something for the horse to graze on would probably be easier than finding viable gas.
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Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
I guess a horse is good for speedy personal transport, but for hauling I think oxen would be better. 4 stomachs are better than one for limited food availability and I think they are more tolerant of a variety of food.
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
I guess a horse is good for speedy personal transport, but for hauling I think oxen would be better. 4 stomachs are better than one for limited food availability and I think they are more tolerant of a variety of food.
That's because you're thinking of this type of horse,
While I'm thinking of a farm horse,
Notice the difference?
But oxen, mule or even a donkey would do. Basically my thinking is that simplicity is key in survival situations. I would gather essential stuff and leave city and general population as soon as possible. I would seek out a heavy forested and remote location to ride out the initial carnage that would inevitably happen in populated areas as people would fight for resources.
While I'm thinking of a farm horse,
Notice the difference?
But oxen, mule or even a donkey would do. Basically my thinking is that simplicity is key in survival situations. I would gather essential stuff and leave city and general population as soon as possible. I would seek out a heavy forested and remote location to ride out the initial carnage that would inevitably happen in populated areas as people would fight for resources.
I want a Hayes Diesel motorcycle:
http://dieselmotorcycles.com/technology.html
http://dieselmotorcycles.com/technology.html
I suggest everybody interested in such a topic pick up Max Brooks' "The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead".
http://www.amazon.com/The-Zombie-Surviva...3732&sr=8-1
This is the definitive survival guide for the zombie apocalypse.
Brooks make a compelling case that the off-road motorcycle (dirt bike) is the ideal mode of transportation after the apocalypse.
It's light weight and manueverability make it easier to evade the undead and also make other situations one may encounter when traveling, such as clogged roads or damaged infrastructure, much more easily passable.
Also, it does very well on fuel. A ~2.5 gallon tank may not get you as far as a 35 gallon tank in a Suburban, but you can siphon and fill those 2.5 gallons much more quickly on the road, allowing you to keep moving and be less exposed while stationary. 2.5 gallons is also a much easier quantity to barter for if you come across other survivors and need fuel.
Personally, I'd loot my local Honda shop and ride off on a CRF 230F. Not a powerful bike, but it is a dead simple single cylinder machine that will likely run forever and ever with minimal upkeep.
Of course, a bike means I'm traveling alone, which is probably why I'm still alive and you're not. That's another topic though.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Zombie-Surviva...3732&sr=8-1
This is the definitive survival guide for the zombie apocalypse.
Brooks make a compelling case that the off-road motorcycle (dirt bike) is the ideal mode of transportation after the apocalypse.
It's light weight and manueverability make it easier to evade the undead and also make other situations one may encounter when traveling, such as clogged roads or damaged infrastructure, much more easily passable.
Also, it does very well on fuel. A ~2.5 gallon tank may not get you as far as a 35 gallon tank in a Suburban, but you can siphon and fill those 2.5 gallons much more quickly on the road, allowing you to keep moving and be less exposed while stationary. 2.5 gallons is also a much easier quantity to barter for if you come across other survivors and need fuel.
Personally, I'd loot my local Honda shop and ride off on a CRF 230F. Not a powerful bike, but it is a dead simple single cylinder machine that will likely run forever and ever with minimal upkeep.
Of course, a bike means I'm traveling alone, which is probably why I'm still alive and you're not. That's another topic though.
I just plan on getting infected early - mmmm brains.
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
I suggest everybody interested in such a topic pick up Max Brooks' "The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead".
http://www.amazon.com/The-Zombie-Surviva...3732&sr=8-1
This is the definitive survival guide for the zombie apocalypse.
Brooks make a compelling case that the off-road motorcycle (dirt bike) is the ideal mode of transportation after the apocalypse.
It's light weight and manueverability make it easier to evade the undead and also make other situations one may encounter when traveling, such as clogged roads or damaged infrastructure, much more easily passable.
Also, it does very well on fuel. A ~2.5 gallon tank may not get you as far as a 35 gallon tank in a Suburban, but you can siphon and fill those 2.5 gallons much more quickly on the road, allowing you to keep moving and be less exposed while stationary. 2.5 gallons is also a much easier quantity to barter for if you come across other survivors and need fuel.
Personally, I'd loot my local Honda shop and ride off on a CRF 230F. Not a powerful bike, but it is a dead simple single cylinder machine that will likely run forever and ever with minimal upkeep.
Of course, a bike means I'm traveling alone, which is probably why I'm still alive and you're not. That's another topic though.
The CRF230 would serve well for scavenging runs if you have a fortified redoubt. You can't carry enough to do much long term. I raced a similar machine. It is as reliable as a rock and sips gas compared to a CR250 or even a CR125. But it has disadvantages:
It's noisy. Most of the zombie stories indicate that they are drawn to sound.
Don't know how well CDI will hold up against EMP
You are exposed.
If you crash, you are zombie food.
And there's the whole gas problem if you are not stockpiled and stabilized.
With an electric assist bicycle you solve the noise and gas problem. With a couple of solar panels to recharge and improved battery packs you could extend the speed and range of a cheap electric bike.
You are going to be slower. No problem against the dead but in Max Brooks' Threat Pyramid, zombies are pretty far down on the list. The living are faster and often armed. They might catch you. They will catch you with a gasoline powered vehicle. That's why I like homebuilt
You built it yourself, you know how to fix it when it breaks. You are not restricted to "prudent or safe" speeds.
Plus, if you are going to try to catch me on a singletrack hard pack in the woods in a K2500 4X4, you're going to hit a tree and I will circle back and raid your truck if you forgot Zombieland's seatbelt rule.
EMP is still a problem. The lead acid batteries will be fine. The motor will likely survive too. It's the controller that's the problem. Similar problem with the solar charging panels. The panels themselves could possibly survive. My converters and charger would get wiped out.
Does an old microwave oven serve as a de-facto Farraday cage?
I'll have to store some two way radios and a solar panel in one. Spare controller. Shortwave radio....
I suggest everybody interested in such a topic pick up Max Brooks' "The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead".
http://www.amazon.com/The-Zombie-Surviva...3732&sr=8-1
This is the definitive survival guide for the zombie apocalypse.
Brooks make a compelling case that the off-road motorcycle (dirt bike) is the ideal mode of transportation after the apocalypse.
It's light weight and manueverability make it easier to evade the undead and also make other situations one may encounter when traveling, such as clogged roads or damaged infrastructure, much more easily passable.
Also, it does very well on fuel. A ~2.5 gallon tank may not get you as far as a 35 gallon tank in a Suburban, but you can siphon and fill those 2.5 gallons much more quickly on the road, allowing you to keep moving and be less exposed while stationary. 2.5 gallons is also a much easier quantity to barter for if you come across other survivors and need fuel.
Personally, I'd loot my local Honda shop and ride off on a CRF 230F. Not a powerful bike, but it is a dead simple single cylinder machine that will likely run forever and ever with minimal upkeep.
Of course, a bike means I'm traveling alone, which is probably why I'm still alive and you're not. That's another topic though.
The CRF230 would serve well for scavenging runs if you have a fortified redoubt. You can't carry enough to do much long term. I raced a similar machine. It is as reliable as a rock and sips gas compared to a CR250 or even a CR125. But it has disadvantages:
It's noisy. Most of the zombie stories indicate that they are drawn to sound.
Don't know how well CDI will hold up against EMP
You are exposed.
If you crash, you are zombie food.
And there's the whole gas problem if you are not stockpiled and stabilized.
With an electric assist bicycle you solve the noise and gas problem. With a couple of solar panels to recharge and improved battery packs you could extend the speed and range of a cheap electric bike.
You are going to be slower. No problem against the dead but in Max Brooks' Threat Pyramid, zombies are pretty far down on the list. The living are faster and often armed. They might catch you. They will catch you with a gasoline powered vehicle. That's why I like homebuilt
You built it yourself, you know how to fix it when it breaks. You are not restricted to "prudent or safe" speeds.
Plus, if you are going to try to catch me on a singletrack hard pack in the woods in a K2500 4X4, you're going to hit a tree and I will circle back and raid your truck if you forgot Zombieland's seatbelt rule.
EMP is still a problem. The lead acid batteries will be fine. The motor will likely survive too. It's the controller that's the problem. Similar problem with the solar charging panels. The panels themselves could possibly survive. My converters and charger would get wiped out.
Does an old microwave oven serve as a de-facto Farraday cage?
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
This is true.
But then again, I'd just move to California.... No one will be there anyways... lol
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
This is true.
But then again, I'd just move to California.... No one will be there anyways... lol
Sometimes, when it comes to obtaining a new vehicle, it's best to assume for the purposes of justification that just because you've never seen a zombie in person, it probably would not be best to make first aquaintance unprepared.
Thinking that coal/wood/charcoal gasification technologies could be well adapted to this field as well.
Thinking that coal/wood/charcoal gasification technologies could be well adapted to this field as well.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
My cartoon horse not good enough for ya?
Originally Posted By: PZR2874
The horse ide woiuldn't be beneficial.... Then you just have one more "mouth to feed".
Funny story:
Wife and I watch TWD and are into it big time and she turns to me and asks "What would happen if that really happened?"
Me: Well, I can swing a bat very well
Wife: What has that got to do with anything?
Me: You won't let me buy a gun, so a bat is all I would have
Wife: Again, what does THAT mean?
Me: I can swing a bat, you're pretty much screwed
Another reason to have firearms.
Unless there is some sort of cataclysm that wipes out all flora, you will most likely find a patch of grass, bushes, flowers, trees or some fields with wheat than a gas station. Besides, a horse wouldn't be competing with you for of food and they don't have to eat as often as you think.
Also, as I seem to be the only one to suggest an animal as a "vehicle", you can figure out that my horse would have plenty to eat, but you would have a lot of competition for fuel with people driving Broncos or other rather thirsty vehicles.
The horse can provide you with warmth from it's body, can provide early warning from predators, can cross all sorts of terrain and if it dies, you will have a nice supply of meat for a while (provided you know how to preserve it). What is a car going to do for you except drive fast while you have gas?
+1 on the firearm.
My cartoon horse not good enough for ya?
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I guess a horse is good for speedy personal transport, but for hauling I think oxen would be better. 4 stomachs are better than one for limited food availability and I think they are more tolerant of a variety of food.
Slow moving zombie bait. You'll be drawing them to you.
The living will attack you to eat your mode of transportation. You see point A-B transportation. They see everything from steaks to liver and onions (wild onions have run-amok in the greenbelt behind my house) to ox-tail soup.
I guess a horse is good for speedy personal transport, but for hauling I think oxen would be better. 4 stomachs are better than one for limited food availability and I think they are more tolerant of a variety of food.
Slow moving zombie bait. You'll be drawing them to you.
The living will attack you to eat your mode of transportation. You see point A-B transportation. They see everything from steaks to liver and onions (wild onions have run-amok in the greenbelt behind my house) to ox-tail soup.
A small Cessna. Fly the highways, at 70MPH, and you look like a truck to radar. Plus, you can go about 1000 miles on a tank at those speeds. That should be far enough to get you out of the country or to a better location.
After that, you'll need a single cylinder, light weight, big bore dirt bike. It really is the only "do it all" vehicle, with performance, fuel economy, capability and evasive ability. It's also very difficult to stop one. Plus, they are easy to hide.
Dirt bikes can climb stairs, forge streams, hop curbs like nothing, fit between parked cars and so on.
On a serious note, after the 2 hurricanes in 2005, in my neighborhood, my (barely street legal Husqvarna 360 2 stroke) dirt bike was very useful. Trees were everywhere, the 'hood was flooded, power lines were easy to navigate around, and I was one of the few there who could get out and go to work. I took care of my dad's house too. It really was the proper answer for that type of doomsday.
This is the bike:
After that, you'll need a single cylinder, light weight, big bore dirt bike. It really is the only "do it all" vehicle, with performance, fuel economy, capability and evasive ability. It's also very difficult to stop one. Plus, they are easy to hide.
Dirt bikes can climb stairs, forge streams, hop curbs like nothing, fit between parked cars and so on.
On a serious note, after the 2 hurricanes in 2005, in my neighborhood, my (barely street legal Husqvarna 360 2 stroke) dirt bike was very useful. Trees were everywhere, the 'hood was flooded, power lines were easy to navigate around, and I was one of the few there who could get out and go to work. I took care of my dad's house too. It really was the proper answer for that type of doomsday.
This is the bike:
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