A guy I know is about to turn 600k kms on his 4 cylinder GMC Canyon. Not too shabby.
My Corolla's 1.8L has 420K on it. Never been opened...I've yet to see a 4 cylinder domestic that's gone that far...
My kid's 2012 Corolla has 79,000 miles, I'm glad to hear you've had such great service from your engine.My Corolla's 1.8L has 420K on it. Never been opened...I've yet to see a 4 cylinder domestic that's gone that far...
My 08 sonata had the 2.4 world motor that is a great engine ran like a top and was quite peppy.The 2.0/2.4 in the Neon , PT Cruiser, Wrangler, Grand Caravan and Liberty is a completely different engine than the "World" 2.4 that is in Mitsu, Chrysler and Hyundai products.
It was pretty good. I would say just about there with the AMC 2.5L. The old F134 was also solid, not only used in vehicles, but generators and agricultural applications as well.Wasn’t the iron duke a bullet proof 4 cyl?
Manufacturing. The Japanese/Koreans and Europeans depend a lot on automation, and a tenet of the Toyota Production System is that humans are the final quality check if machines are used. Workers are “empowered” to pull the andon cord to stop production if an problem happens. Toyota once claimed they(Aisin) can assemble an automatic transmission in 60 seconds with robots.If Ford, GM and Chrysler with all their resources tearing them down, trying to copy and compete couldn't figure it out for decades what makes you think these jokers have the answer?
lolA friend is embarking on rebuilding a 4R70W on his own, I told him if it was an Aisin one from a Toyota or a Jatco from a Nissan or Subaru, it’s something I wouldn’t embark on. But, Ford designed that tranny to be assembled by a factory worker who has an high school education.
His engine isn't even broken in yet!My kid's 2012 Corolla has 79,000 miles, I'm glad to hear you've had such great service from your engine.
Manufacturing. The Japanese/Koreans and Europeans depend a lot on automation, and a tenet of the Toyota Production System is that humans are the final quality check if machines are used. Workers are “empowered” to pull the andon cord to stop production if an problem happens. Toyota once claimed they(Aisin) can assemble an automatic transmission in 60 seconds with robots.
With the Americans, things have to be designed to be assembled easily by an assembly line worker. A friend is embarking on rebuilding a 4R70W on his own, I told him if it was an Aisin one from a Toyota or a Jatco from a Nissan or Subaru, it’s something I wouldn’t embark on. But, Ford designed that tranny to be assembled by a factory worker who has an high school education.
GM once dissected a Lexus LS400 to find out why it was a hit vs. Cadillac. They couldn’t replicate the production methods Toyota used - and it was assembled at the same plant alongside 4Runners and Hilux trucks.
I'd speculate that they never really tried. The Japanese were selling economy cars while the "Big 3" were invested in V8's for the most part, in cars that weren't small. Yes, there were the odd standouts like the Chrysler turbo I4 in the Daytona and Caravan and the SVO 4-cylinder Mustang and T-bird, but by and large, the focus was on the larger engines and the 4-cylinder offerings were "down market" which is where the Japanese and Korean offerings were targeting at the time.I believe that may be the case for reliability but not for NHV and general refinement. If it's just that they should have nice silky smooth finished results during the developmental and prototype stages where I doubt quality control is an issue. Thru the 80s and 90s NONE of the big three could make a smooth 4 cyl to save their life while at the time I was driving an Hyundai Elantra with a Mitsubishi designed engine at the time that was so quiet and smooth people thought it had shut off when I came to a stop. It screamed effortlessly to redline while American 4cyl gave you "I should back off before something gives" NVH. My friend had a hatchback Corolla which must have had VVT cause that thing was VTEC before VTEC. If I had to speculate I'd guess The big three were just WAY behind in technology and development in tuning out inherent frequencies/resonances etc of an inline 4cyl configuration cause they could make a perfectly smooth V6, I6 and V8 and they could make the 4cyl powerful but they couldn't make them refined specifically in higher rpm.
It seems that automation plays a bigger part in the production and assembly of vehicles in Japan and other countries compared to the US. Also, having a system in place that ensures that processes are done the same way every time is key.
These kinds of videos always get my attention. This is already a old video but note the lack of humans in most of the production. A lot of human interaction is checking the robot’s work.
I remember seeing the Dodge Daytona and Turbo Caravan as a kid. Didn’t Chrysler also have the Omni GLH, their answer to the VW GTI?Yes, there were the odd standouts like the Chrysler turbo I4 in the Daytona and Caravan and the SVO 4-cylinder Mustang and T-bird, but by and large, the focus was on the larger engines and the 4-cylinder offerings were "down market" which is where the Japanese and Korean offerings were targeting at the time.
It's not a deficit of engineering know-how, it's the lack of application of that in low margin applications.
Neither would I, Toyota builds garbage......Maybe you should buy a Mitsubishi, I've heard they're the best vehicles made...I've seen a few 2.2L GM Ecotech's have more, They were in parts delivery hot-shot HHR "Panel" vans.
There aren't ANY 4 cylinder engines I would want to drive for 400,000 miles, My 2010 2ZR-FE Corolla has 143,000 easy miles with Mobil 1 oil every 6,000 miles or so.....Never had such a noisy cold engine, Sounds like it's going to come apart on the first start after sitting more than 6 hours, Has really bad Piston Knock/Slap 'til it reaches operating temp. Neither the dealer nor corporate gave a ****. They also refused to fix the Timing Cover oil leak under warranty.
Ever since they did the Air Bag recall.....The Airbag warning lamp comes on intermittently with a driver airbag deployment loop error.
I'll never buy a new Toyota again, Dealers & Corporate alike think their products are infallible.
Yes, that's right, they did also do the Omni, think it was the same engine as was in the Daytona. Kind of like how they are currently shoehorning the 6.4L into everything.I remember seeing the Dodge Daytona and Turbo Caravan as a kid. Didn’t Chrysler also have the Omni GLH, their answer to the VW GTI?
Yes, the Mitsubishi partnership was interesting. The Mitsu V6's had a tendency to burn oil like crazy (valve guide/seal problem) which the Chrysler engines, which were less refined/more basic, didn't. There was a time period where you were almost guaranteed to see a Chrysler minivan fogging blue when you were out and about.I think when the K-Cars came out that saved Chrysler from a certain demise in the 1980s, they depended on a relationship with Mitsubishi that was formed in the 1970s and used that for engine supply. I recall seeing the old Chrysler I-4 that was offered next to the 2.6L Mitsu engine. And again for the K-Car based minivans - before Chrysler developed their own 3.3/3.8L V6, the Mitsu 3.0L V6 was offered.
Guess on how you define "modern". Ford had built a hot valley (used with and without a turbo) DOHC Windsor in the 1960's affectionately called the "Indy Cammer":Ford did use their European arm for some of their R&D, which led them to the first modern OHC V8 by an American brand(yes, I know about the GM/OMC DOHC 350) as well as the Ecoboost engines.
Yup, exactly.Like Detroit’s focus in the 1960s was muscle cars and luxo barges despite an oil crisis in the 1970s, trucks and SUVs bring in the money for them despite tightening regulations. Compact cars were a loss leader for them in the 1970s, and if it wasn’t for rental fleets, they’d axe their sedans sooner in modern times. I remember seeing GM/Chrysler ads from Nat Geos and Popular Mechanics from the 1980s trying to sell a value proposition against Japanese cars - but Toyota started going a little more upmarket with the Cressida/Supra but those were sixes. Nissan was proud of the Z car then as well.
That's something that will be interesting to watch for sure. Ford is already doing extremely well with the Mach-E, the GT and GT performance versions are really hot! An extremely good first effort by Ford.But maybe the move to EVs might be “have your cake and eat it too” moment if the performance figures for the new GMC Hummer/F-150 Lightning/Silverado EV and the future Dodge electric car are as hyped up as they are?