DEF as Fertilizer?

[Snagglefoot]

I was at a truck stop on our way home from Washington yesterday. There were a couple trucks with lowboys and huge farm/industrial tractors without wheels parked beside the place. They were dark blue and I forget the brand. I wish I had the forethought of mind to take a picture. Nevertheless, these tractors had placards on them indicating they ran on compressed natural gas. Why would anyone buy a compressed natural gas tractor over diesel? Future is here it seems. I am NOT saying there won't be ANY use of diesel in the future. Just very little. Just like leaded gasoline, not much being used anymore in this country except for what, old planes?

I’m thinking it was the decision of trucking company. The companies are looking for an edge on the competition. Lower carbon, environmentally sentinel etc.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Not for a long time.

To appease the government of the day, renewable diesel ( particularly from Canola oil) will be added to regular diesel and help get the pressure off. Here is a screen shot for Imperial Oil ( owned 70% by Exxon) for their Renewable Diesel plans for the Strathcona refinery near Edmonton Alberta. Starting production will be about 250 million gallons per year.

 

[Snagglefoot]

I was at a truck stop on our way home from Washington yesterday. There were a couple trucks with lowboys and huge farm/industrial tractors without wheels parked beside the place. They were dark blue and I forget the brand. I wish I had the forethought of mind to take a picture. Nevertheless, these tractors had placards on them indicating they ran on compressed natural gas. Why would anyone buy a compressed natural gas tractor over diesel? Future is here it seems. I am NOT saying there won't be ANY use of diesel in the future. Just very little. Just like leaded gasoline, not much being used anymore in this country except for what, old planes?

Blue tractors? That would be New Holland. New Holland bought Ford tractors and Fiat owns New Holland.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Here is the story of natural gas and the trucking industry. Before, the problem was a lack of oil production. Now the winds of change are focusing on carbon.

 

[Propflux01]

This is interesting. The same government that forces we the people to use engine choking emission devices in our new Diesel engines that basically ruin them, deletes it from the Diesels they buy and drive with our money. Don't do as I do, do as I say.

Its (not an excuse) deleted because, in a wartime situation, there may be issues getting DEF. So it's easier for the Defense Dept to have it deleted on that basis.

 

[sloinker]

There is no shortage of natural gas or diesel for the foreseeable future. I know that OPEC/ IEA forecast a glut by the end of this decade.
I don't think efficiencies alone explain this glut. New technologies and alternative fuel sources must make up much of it. So I stand by my original statement of diesel fuel becoming a much less utilized and nearly extinct commodity within many of our lifetimes.
https://troymedia.com/business/global-oil-demand-to-peak-by-2029-iea-predicts-major-glut/

 

[Snagglefoot]

105 million bottles of beer on the wall, 105 million bottles of beer! The day after the peak, they will still need 104,999,999 barrels a day. The peak is nothing more than an inflection point and demand will keep going up and down, for years before an apparent decline occurs. By way, the administration of the day could pull EV subsidies, then watch out.

 

[mr_boring]

I'll stick to applying Ammonium Nitrate to fertilizing my yard.

Don't forget to cut it with fuel oil!

 

[sloinker]

105 million bottles of beer on the wall, 105 million bottles of beer! The day after the peak, they will still need 104,999,999 barrels a day. The peak is nothing more than an inflection point and demand will keep going up and down, for years before an apparent decline occurs. By way, the administration of the day could pull EV subsidies, then watch out.

I think that a glut signifies over supply. You have already seen OPEC cut back and the Russians are limited in their ability to supply. The Americans have filled this lesser supply admirably. The forecast in the article cited and other sources is for ever lessening demand after 2029. Why? Is the question.

 

[wpod]

I was at a truck stop on our way home from Washington yesterday. There were a couple trucks with lowboys and huge farm/industrial tractors without wheels parked beside the place. They were dark blue and I forget the brand. I wish I had the forethought of mind to take a picture. Nevertheless, these tractors had placards on them indicating they ran on compressed natural gas. Why would anyone buy a compressed natural gas tractor over diesel? Future is here it seems. I am NOT saying there won't be ANY use of diesel in the future. Just very little. Just like leaded gasoline, not much being used anymore in this country except for what, old planes?

CNG can be lower cost. Diesel engines run good on propane and C. N.G.

 

[tmorris1]

To appease the government of the day, renewable diesel ( particularly from Canola oil) will be added to regular diesel and help get the pressure off. Here is a screen shot for Imperial Oil ( owned 70% by Exxon) for their Renewable Diesel plans for the Strathcona refinery near Edmonton Alberta. Starting production will be about 250 million gallons per year.

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They have been adding Bio-diesel (soy oil) here for years.

 

[Snagglefoot]

They have been adding Bio-diesel (soy oil) here for years.

The hot ticket is renewable diesel which can also contain soy and Canola oil but it’s put through a refining process.

 

[billt460]

I would like to see and hear what some of the top diesel engine builders have to say about running that stuff long term.

 

[tmorris1]

I would like to see and hear what some of the top diesel engine builders have to say about running that stuff long term.

The government says it is fine, so why would they lie? The problem will be cold weather gelling.