Tankless water heater?

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I searched and didn't find anything. We are looking at installing a tankless water heater on the side of our place and had concerns of the pipes freezing that go from the heater into the house. I know the heater its self is good for seriously low temperatures as long as it has power. Just curious of those that live in a cold climate have had issues and or what kit is offered to protect the pipes. We are looking at getting the Rinnai RX180in. Thanks.

It doesn't get extreme cold here on the coast of NC but this past week we had temps down to 15℉ and highs of only 25℉ for three days in a row. Most of the time we get back into the 40's and 50's during the day. Also I was on the Rinnai site and didn't seem much on a kit to put around the pipes that go from the unit into the house, just a cover.
 
The external mount is for places that "never" freeze, like Florida. NC is too cold. Their advantage is the gas burner exhaust vents from the unit directly so no exhaust pipe is required, resulting in slightly lower first cost for the heater and simpler installation. Indoor units use a PVC exhaust pipe typically 3 inch diameter. The water heater is usually mounted on the inside of an outside wall so the exhaust pipe is short. However that is not a requirement as most units allow tens of feet of exhaust pipe if necessary.
 
The external mount is for places that "never" freeze, like Florida.

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Do not install it on the outside. If the installer is "guiding" you to do this, then they're probably are just looking for the easiest and quickest install.

These things are so small and compact that almost any wall can accommodate them. And the vent tubes can have quite long runs as well.
There is absolutely no good reason, from a home owner perspective, to get install it outside. Builders and installer push it purley for their own gain and convenience.
 
Which reminds me, it's time to back flush my V65i and clear the inlet screen here in South Carolina (inside the garage)
 
Well isnt that ironic. We are on the Southeast NC coast. New 2023 home with a Rinnai tankless mounted outside. Model # is given as RE180e (runs on propane gas)
Hundreds of homes in our community have this water heater. Even though it says "Mobile Home" on the water heater maybe that is because these are mounted outside and runs on propane.

They are used extensively in many (and that is an understatement) communities, in our last home near Lake Murray SC the second phase was a different builder and Rinnai were used there as well. We had a gas tank NG one in that home.

SO here is the truth in extreme cold, both areas. In our old community which is colder than the coast some people would get freeze ups and the same deal here in our new community. Pipes don't burst though, PEX is used. We have NEVER had a freeze up and the majority do not however a fair amount can have that issue. But down worry about the stories, there are stories for every product, just install it properly. I think the issue is this and missing common sense among those few homeowners who have an issue.

The plumbers generally do a terrible job wrapping the pipes to and from the heater outside, they are also run through uninsulated garage walls.
Anyway, if pipe insulation is lacking anywhere it will freeze in extreme cold. However the solution is simple, even for our house. I didnt like the sloppy job of the builders plumber insulation on the pipes, under warranty I had them come back and redo it. Then once they did I wrapped it with my own sticky foam black foam insulation insuring I never had nor will I ever have a problem.
BTW- my outdoor thermometer registered 13 degrees one day last week. This is crazy for the coast. No issues at all and we let our house go down to 64 at night, like sleeping in the cold. 73 daytime though.

If the job is properly done you won't have a problem. The unit itself has a built in protection circuit that will cycle the unit in freezing temperatures to prevent freeze damage to the unit. Some of that warm water will keep the pipes outside the unit from freezing as long as the insulation is good. By no means does the majority of homes freeze up, just the ones with lacking insulation. Kind of funny, I do not know what might happen during a power failure as far as freeze protection. We never had a power outage longer than 4 hours in 18 years in the south but I know it happens. Then again, same thing would happen if it was mounted in the garage.

As far as that magical cover for the pipes at the bottom. There are some made. Some people in my community found them, made a comment saying you can't buy them direct from the company but found them on E-Bay... whether it is a direct fit I do not know.
I have also seen some communities that ALL of them have that cover. I am unsure if it is the same model number or not. It is definitely Rinnai If you do a search that says - rinnai 180e pipe cover or Rinnai pipe cover kit
You will get a bunch of results. I think the few that put them on adapted the cover to fit. I think maybe the more expensive premium lines has them. I do not know

Not sure if you are aware, if you have the room, Rinnai makes an interior one used in many communities as well. They mount them in the garage, look exactly the same but are PVC vented out the side of the garage.

This is ours. I still might look for that cover myself. Ascetics its a win win for the look.
As far as eh performance of the unit will be almost 3 years. I have to say I am impressed. It works very well, can run and open as many taps as you like or do the laundry or someone else in another bathroom taking a shower and you will never have any change in the amount of hot water while taking a shower in your bathroom.
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I searched and didn't find anything. We are looking at installing a tankless water heater on the side of our place and had concerns of the pipes freezing that go from the heater into the house. I know the heater its self is good for seriously low temperatures as long as it has power. Just curious of those that live in a cold climate have had issues and or what kit is offered to protect the pipes. We are looking at getting the Rinnai RX180in. Thanks.

It doesn't get extreme cold here on the coast of NC but this past week we had temps down to 15℉ and highs of only 25℉ for three days in a row. Most of the time we get back into the 40's and 50's during the day. Also I was on the Rinnai site and didn't seem much on a kit to put around the pipes that go from the unit into the house, just a cover.
There is internal freeze protection but if you are worried about a power loss they have a kit for that will drain out the water heater.

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Well isnt that ironic. We are on the Southeast NC coast. New 2023 home with a Rinnai tankless mounted outside. Model # is given as RE180e (runs on propane gas)
Hundreds of homes in our community have this water heater. Even though it says "Mobile Home" on the water heater maybe that is because these are mounted outside and runs on propane.

They are used extensively in many (and that is an understatement) communities, in our last home near Lake Murray SC the second phase was a different builder and Rinnai were used there as well. We had a gas tank NG one in that home.

SO here is the truth in extreme cold, both areas. In our old community which is colder than the coast some people would get freeze ups and the same deal here in our new community. Pipes don't burst though, PEX is used. We have NEVER had a freeze up and the majority do not however a fair amount can have that issue. But down worry about the stories, there are stories for every product, just install it properly. I think the issue is this and missing common sense among those few homeowners who have an issue.

The plumbers generally do a terrible job wrapping the pipes to and from the heater outside, they are also run through uninsulated garage walls.
Anyway, if pipe insulation is lacking anywhere it will freeze in extreme cold. However the solution is simple, even for our house. I didnt like the sloppy job of the builders plumber insulation on the pipes, under warranty I had them come back and redo it. Then once they did I wrapped it with my own sticky foam black foam insulation insuring I never had nor will I ever have a problem.
BTW- my outdoor thermometer registered 13 degrees one day last week. This is crazy for the coast. No issues at all and we let our house go down to 64 at night, like sleeping in the cold. 73 daytime though.

If the job is properly done you won't have a problem. The unit itself has a built in protection circuit that will cycle the unit in freezing temperatures to prevent freeze damage to the unit. Some of that warm water will keep the pipes outside the unit from freezing as long as the insulation is good. By no means does the majority of homes freeze up, just the ones with lacking insulation. Kind of funny, I do not know what might happen during a power failure as far as freeze protection. We never had a power outage longer than 4 hours in 18 years in the south but I know it happens. Then again, same thing would happen if it was mounted in the garage.

As far as that magical cover for the pipes at the bottom. There are some made. Some people in my community found them, made a comment saying you can't buy them direct from the company but found them on E-Bay... whether it is a direct fit I do not know.
I have also seen some communities that ALL of them have that cover. I am unsure if it is the same model number or not. It is definitely Rinnai If you do a search that says - rinnai 180e pipe cover or Rinnai pipe cover kit
You will get a bunch of results. I think the few that put them on adapted the cover to fit. I think maybe the more expensive premium lines has them. I do not know

Not sure if you are aware, if you have the room, Rinnai makes an interior one used in many communities as well. They mount them in the garage, look exactly the same but are PVC vented out the side of the garage.

This is ours. I still might look for that cover myself. Ascetics its a win win for the look.
As far as eh performance of the unit will be almost 3 years. I have to say I am impressed. It works very well, can run and open as many taps as you like or do the laundry or someone else in another bathroom taking a shower and you will never have any change in the amount of hot water while taking a shower in your bathroom.


Why make your life harder? Who cares that most of these installations don't freeze up? You had no choice in the installation location, OP, from the sounds of it, does.

None of the stuff you mentioned applies if the unit is installed inside. Your whole story above is actually an endorsement for getting it installed inside.
 
Did the tankless thing once, went back to tank hot water heaters for me.
Yeah, if I had the option I would have preferred the house built with a tank, Im not against the tankless however I dont understand the reason to complicate heating water. It dubious at best that tankless saves energy.

Actually even our own government website does not make that claim. They can save energy but its not a given that they will, its that close, then take into account the cost, possible annual or bi-annual maintenance in hard water areas and complexity of the heater ... and well My question would be why?

Since I like electronics and such, I am ok, with the tankless, however long run and reliability, a tank is going to be more cost effective. I'll change my mind if this builder installed tankless lasts 15 years without a problem.
I do like the extra space in my garage that a tank does not take up. Yet, my garage is more cold in the winter without one there. *LOL*

Pick your poison !
 
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Yeah, if I had the option I would have preferred the house built with a tank, Im not against the tankless however I dont understand the reason to complicate heating water. It dubious at best that tankless saves energy.

Actually even our own government website does not make that claim. They can save energy but its not a given that they will, its that close, then take into account the cost, possible annual or bi-annual maintenance in hard water areas and complexity of the heater ... and well My question would be why?

Since I like electronics and such, I am ok, with the tankless, however long run and reliability, a tank is going to be more cost effective. I'll change my mind if this builder installed tankless lasts 15 years without a problem.
I do like the extra space in my garage that a tank does not take up. Yet, my garage is more cold in the winter without one there. *LOL*

Pick your poison !
For me saving water is the name of the game.
Tankless have to get the water flowing, it has to heat up.
I'm better served by a tank heater and a water circulation pump.
That way I can turn on the water and it's warm in few seconds.
 
Why make your life harder? Who cares that most of these installations don't freeze up? You had no choice in the installation location, OP, from the sounds of it, does.

None of the stuff you mentioned applies if the unit is installed inside. Your whole story above is actually an endorsement for getting it installed inside.
And did I say any different?
Do you have read the OP? Correct?
His inquiry is about an outdoor unit in which I gave an answer
 
For me saving water is the name of the game.
Tankless have to get the water flowing, it has to heat up.
I'm better served by a tank heater and a water circulation pump.
That way I can turn on the water and it's warm in few seconds.
Actually, it’s an instant instantaneous water heater. It’s pretty amazing how quick it is.
However, regarding both types, my attitude is they both heat water pick the one that makes people happy
I like the tank because it’s less complex and when it’s in the garage, it helps keep the garage warm in the winter
However, with that said it’s kind of nice having that little bit of extra room that we have in this house

Our last house of 16 years up until two years ago, had a gas hot water tank in the garage
 
Need valves for drain down and valves to pump or pour rv anti freeze through it then closr the drain and fill it with a mixture. Just like sinks bathtub /shower drains toilets . When refilling don't forget after the flushing os the water.heater make sure there is no air in the lines before firing heater.
 
I looked into tankless but went with a hybrid heat pump from Home Depot. Installed it myself. Uses about a quarter of the energy but can still function as a regular water heater if you wanted.
 
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