Dealer Visit For Engine Vibration

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My friend has a 2009 Fit with 32,000 miles.

During a routine oil change, I noticed a subtle vibration at idle as well as some engine "clatter" or metallic tapping noise during light acceleration. When the engine is warm, the vibration is fairly light (though still noticeable), but the vibration is more pronounced during cold start-up.

So earlier today, I brought the vehicle to the dealer and mentioned this problem and asked them to look into it.

It was a slower day and they had a few techs look at the car. The tech was able to duplicate my concern that indeed, there was a subtle engine vibration at idle.

According to the tech, he found in the stored data list that there was at one point, a cylinder #3 misfire. The report also stated that he found the short-term fuel trim to be at 1.02 and the MAP sensor voltage to be at 0.96v.

The tech's resolution is to first adjust the valve clearance, then proceed from there. They have to order a valve cover gasket and a few other gaskets in order to do the work, so they want me to drop the car off next week for them to finish the work.

My Mitchell info shows that an in-range ST fuel trim should be between 0.69-1.47, but I am not sure what an "ideal" reading would be. I don't know what the correct operating range is for the MAP sensor though.

Personally, I am not sure how a valve adjustment will solve the engine vibration problem, especially since the car is not showing a CEL right now, or has it ever.

What do you folks think is the problem?
 
Always check the simplest items first.

I would start with the engine mounts and/or transmission mount.

Then check all belt driven components. Sometimes a belt can tear and a piece of it is slapping around.

Then there could be a timing belt internally doing the same.

etc. Always look for simple stuff before diving into major engine stuff like valves. I'm not sure I like the diagnosis techniques of this tech.
 
bad batch of gas ?
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
bad batch of gas ?
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It has had the light vibration for a while.

The car has also had some issues with a delayed or no-start during cold temperatures, but that problem has never been successfully duplicated to the dealer.

I have a feeling that they're going to adjust the valves and find that it doesn't solve the problem. And at that point, they'll either give up or start throwing parts at it.
 
is it in warranty still? if so, drop it off and let them deal with it. it's honda's problem at that point.
 
A valve adjustment may do it some good. Is it under warranty? Might as well let them do it if it is. Valve adjustment is very critical on Hondas and can affect idle quality.
 
Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Why are you getting so involved in a friend's Honda ?


gotta agree with this one. if its not your car, a family members car why bother?
 
Getting the valves set is an important first step.
This has to be right for a bunch of reasons.
If it does not fix the problem , it is good to so anyway.

But an imbalance with injectors can cause a miss. Either too much or too low flow. Same for an ignition component - a faulty plug, coil , or wire is possible.

And there are the vacuum leaks... high on the list for engine roughness and other problems. There are many sources for vacuum leaks - lines, connections, brake reservoir system, and manifolding.
 
If you are observant, you will notice that TheCritic is always extremely careful in NOT giving away gender of his many "friends".

- Vikas
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
If you are observant, you will notice that TheCritic is always extremely careful in NOT giving away gender of his many "friends".

- Vikas

Two are female, two are male, lol.
 
From what I have read, many 4 cyl. Honda motors have vibration. Typically in gear - not in Park or Neutral. I was told it is completely normal. Additionally, I was shown on the lot several other newer model hondas that do the same thing. One of the reasons I get irritated with the Accord we own is due to idle vibration.
 
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
If you are observant, you will notice that TheCritic is always extremely careful in NOT giving away gender of his many "friends".

- Vikas

Two are female, two are male, lol.


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Car is back from the shop.

Here are the results.

Valves were adjusted. All the exhaust valves were too tight, especially on cylinder #2 and #3. The valve adjustment seems to have reduced the engine vibration, but it is still not gone completely. However, I think the level is now acceptable for a cheap 4-cyl engine. The engine is also noticeably quieter and feels more peppy. Transmission shifts noticeably smoother now as well, not sure why.

Service advisor said they are seeing this more with the newer Fits and the J35. He suggested adjusting the valves every 30k if you planned to keep the car. Unfortunately, it's 2.7 hours to do a valve adjustment on a Fit, plus $75 in gaskets.

Thoughts?
 
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