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All the cub cadets with kawi's listed on their website have tuff torq hydrostat. Make sure you you what one your getting. Likely a k44 like most others. Might want to take a second look at the 2000 series with the hydro gear and kohler.
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Originally Posted By: countryboy69
On the lower end John Deere lawn mower they have questionable hydrostats in them, the tuff torq 40 and 44's. not meant for anything but cutting grass on level ground. Cub cadet has better hydrostat. Made by hydro gear. They have oil filters on them and can change the fluid in them easily. Most of the x300 have the tuff torq 44.
Check out the husqvarna. You can get a Kawasaki motor and either a hydro gear g730 or the tuff torq k66.
Kinda in between a John Deere x300 and x500 for the price of a x300.
Right, but the HG G730 is only offered on the most expensive Cub 1000 series.
If you're also referring to the Cub 2K series, that's a whole other animal with an MTD/Cub built cast iron rear axle/differential, driven by a hydrogear BDU drive. Those hold 6qts of oil.
Joel
On the lower end John Deere lawn mower they have questionable hydrostats in them, the tuff torq 40 and 44's. not meant for anything but cutting grass on level ground. Cub cadet has better hydrostat. Made by hydro gear. They have oil filters on them and can change the fluid in them easily. Most of the x300 have the tuff torq 44.
Check out the husqvarna. You can get a Kawasaki motor and either a hydro gear g730 or the tuff torq k66.
Kinda in between a John Deere x300 and x500 for the price of a x300.
Right, but the HG G730 is only offered on the most expensive Cub 1000 series.
If you're also referring to the Cub 2K series, that's a whole other animal with an MTD/Cub built cast iron rear axle/differential, driven by a hydrogear BDU drive. Those hold 6qts of oil.
Joel
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Originally Posted By: countryboy69
The tuff torq 40 is a cheap 44. It has a plastic cylinder block that the pistons move in. The 40 and 44 have limited life spans and are the most replaced hydrostat out there. There are even kits out there to replace them with a tuff turq 66. They are ok as long as you only cut grass on level lawns. My 40 has 100 hours on it and it is starting to get weak and it will barely back up with a little garden trailer. It was never very powerful.
Mytractorforums and lawn mower forums have some good info on them. They are serviceable hydrostat though your dealers probably will tell you otherwise. You can get the parts from tuff torq's website. You can even upgrade them to the k57 or 58 Hydrostat as its the same housing. I have never heard of a hydro gear failure although I'm sure they are out there.
A TT 40 that's backing up slow doesn't necessarily mean the unit is shot, it may be a linkage adjustment. A weak hydro will loose power in both directions.
The tuff torq 40 is a cheap 44. It has a plastic cylinder block that the pistons move in. The 40 and 44 have limited life spans and are the most replaced hydrostat out there. There are even kits out there to replace them with a tuff turq 66. They are ok as long as you only cut grass on level lawns. My 40 has 100 hours on it and it is starting to get weak and it will barely back up with a little garden trailer. It was never very powerful.
Mytractorforums and lawn mower forums have some good info on them. They are serviceable hydrostat though your dealers probably will tell you otherwise. You can get the parts from tuff torq's website. You can even upgrade them to the k57 or 58 Hydrostat as its the same housing. I have never heard of a hydro gear failure although I'm sure they are out there.
A TT 40 that's backing up slow doesn't necessarily mean the unit is shot, it may be a linkage adjustment. A weak hydro will loose power in both directions.
Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: countryboy69
The tuff torq 40 is a cheap 44. It has a plastic cylinder block that the pistons move in. The 40 and 44 have limited life spans and are the most replaced hydrostat out there. There are even kits out there to replace them with a tuff turq 66. They are ok as long as you only cut grass on level lawns. My 40 has 100 hours on it and it is starting to get weak and it will barely back up with a little garden trailer. It was never very powerful.
Mytractorforums and lawn mower forums have some good info on them. They are serviceable hydrostat though your dealers probably will tell you otherwise. You can get the parts from tuff torq's website. You can even upgrade them to the k57 or 58 Hydrostat as its the same housing. I have never heard of a hydro gear failure although I'm sure they are out there.
A TT 40 that's backing up slow doesn't necessarily mean the unit is shot, it may be a linkage adjustment. A weak hydro will loose power in both directions.
Didn't say it was shot. Just doesn't have the power it used to. When it has a hard time going into my shed that has a 6" incline I think it is getting weak, not shot. If it was a linkage issue it would back up, just slowly. Not sit there and whine or need a run to get in there.
Originally Posted By: countryboy69
The tuff torq 40 is a cheap 44. It has a plastic cylinder block that the pistons move in. The 40 and 44 have limited life spans and are the most replaced hydrostat out there. There are even kits out there to replace them with a tuff turq 66. They are ok as long as you only cut grass on level lawns. My 40 has 100 hours on it and it is starting to get weak and it will barely back up with a little garden trailer. It was never very powerful.
Mytractorforums and lawn mower forums have some good info on them. They are serviceable hydrostat though your dealers probably will tell you otherwise. You can get the parts from tuff torq's website. You can even upgrade them to the k57 or 58 Hydrostat as its the same housing. I have never heard of a hydro gear failure although I'm sure they are out there.
A TT 40 that's backing up slow doesn't necessarily mean the unit is shot, it may be a linkage adjustment. A weak hydro will loose power in both directions.
Didn't say it was shot. Just doesn't have the power it used to. When it has a hard time going into my shed that has a 6" incline I think it is getting weak, not shot. If it was a linkage issue it would back up, just slowly. Not sit there and whine or need a run to get in there.
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Originally Posted By: countryboy69
Didn't say it was shot. Just doesn't have the power it used to. When it has a hard time going into my shed that has a 6" incline I think it is getting weak, not shot. If it was a linkage issue it would back up, just slowly. Not sit there and whine or need a run to get in there.
Got it.
That is odd at only 100hrs though. How old is the unit? I'm sure you've run though the basic stuff: Make sure the drive is blown free of debris, make sure fan is intact, etc.
Didn't say it was shot. Just doesn't have the power it used to. When it has a hard time going into my shed that has a 6" incline I think it is getting weak, not shot. If it was a linkage issue it would back up, just slowly. Not sit there and whine or need a run to get in there.
Got it.
That is odd at only 100hrs though. How old is the unit? I'm sure you've run though the basic stuff: Make sure the drive is blown free of debris, make sure fan is intact, etc.
Originally Posted By: countryboy69
Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: countryboy69
The tuff torq 40 is a cheap 44. It has a plastic cylinder block that the pistons move in. The 40 and 44 have limited life spans and are the most replaced hydrostat out there. There are even kits out there to replace them with a tuff turq 66. They are ok as long as you only cut grass on level lawns. My 40 has 100 hours on it and it is starting to get weak and it will barely back up with a little garden trailer. It was never very powerful.
Mytractorforums and lawn mower forums have some good info on them. They are serviceable hydrostat though your dealers probably will tell you otherwise. You can get the parts from tuff torq's website. You can even upgrade them to the k57 or 58 Hydrostat as its the same housing. I have never heard of a hydro gear failure although I'm sure they are out there.
A TT 40 that's backing up slow doesn't necessarily mean the unit is shot, it may be a linkage adjustment. A weak hydro will loose power in both directions.
Didn't say it was shot. Just doesn't have the power it used to. When it has a hard time going into my shed that has a 6" incline I think it is getting weak, not shot. If it was a linkage issue it would back up, just slowly. Not sit there and whine or need a run to get in there.
Might be rejuvenated with a simple fluid/oil change.
Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: countryboy69
The tuff torq 40 is a cheap 44. It has a plastic cylinder block that the pistons move in. The 40 and 44 have limited life spans and are the most replaced hydrostat out there. There are even kits out there to replace them with a tuff turq 66. They are ok as long as you only cut grass on level lawns. My 40 has 100 hours on it and it is starting to get weak and it will barely back up with a little garden trailer. It was never very powerful.
Mytractorforums and lawn mower forums have some good info on them. They are serviceable hydrostat though your dealers probably will tell you otherwise. You can get the parts from tuff torq's website. You can even upgrade them to the k57 or 58 Hydrostat as its the same housing. I have never heard of a hydro gear failure although I'm sure they are out there.
A TT 40 that's backing up slow doesn't necessarily mean the unit is shot, it may be a linkage adjustment. A weak hydro will loose power in both directions.
Didn't say it was shot. Just doesn't have the power it used to. When it has a hard time going into my shed that has a 6" incline I think it is getting weak, not shot. If it was a linkage issue it would back up, just slowly. Not sit there and whine or need a run to get in there.
Might be rejuvenated with a simple fluid/oil change.
JTK
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Good point lexus.
I know TT used to factory-fill (and recommend) 10w30 for their light hydro transaxle line. That's too light IMO. I wouldn't go lighter than HD 15w40 in any newer one-piece hydrostatic transaxle. In fact, for one that only holds a few qts, I'd probably go 20w50.
I know TT used to factory-fill (and recommend) 10w30 for their light hydro transaxle line. That's too light IMO. I wouldn't go lighter than HD 15w40 in any newer one-piece hydrostatic transaxle. In fact, for one that only holds a few qts, I'd probably go 20w50.
I called TT about my 44 and they said M1 15w-50 would work great
Changed mine out at only 50 hours, and it works like a champ.
Just treat it like a car with a fragile slushbox, service it early and often...
Changed mine out at only 50 hours, and it works like a champ.
Just treat it like a car with a fragile slushbox, service it early and often...
I keep reading this thread about the Cub Cadets with Kawa engines. I went to a Home Depot/ Cub Cadet test drive and got the brochure. It shows a CC LTX1045 with a single Kohler 20 hp engine, a LGT 1054 with a V twin 26 hp engine. Then there are various models of the LGTX with 25 hp and 27 hp V twin Kohler engines. All are hydrostatic auto trans. Where are the Kawa's? Is the HOme Depot getting a different line of engines? Whidh is better engine? Which is more reliable , easier to work on, easier to get parts for,?
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Jim, last I knew the Kawasaki engine + Tuff Torq transaxle units are only available at Cub Cadet dealers. Last year they were about $100 more than the big box units with Kohler engines.
So is the Kawasaki V twin and the Tuff Torq trans the best combination. $100.00 is nothing to pay extra for as long as I plan to keep it. I am looking for reliability and ease of maintenance. But is the Kawa and TT hydrastatic trans better than the Kohler?
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Historically, Kawasaki and Tufftorq have been used on higher end OPE like high dollar JD's, etc.
Is it the same caliber of equipment being used in a ~$2500 Cub Cadet? I dunno. For ~$100, I'd be willing to go that route anyway.
Is it the same caliber of equipment being used in a ~$2500 Cub Cadet? I dunno. For ~$100, I'd be willing to go that route anyway.
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