Crush washers

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Not really a question, but I think I've seen it all over the years of changing the oil on my cars and my family's cars.

A lot of GM cars came with integrated rubber gaskets. I also member using a single rubber-coated steel gasket on a certain car.

For any Honda/Acura cars the oil drain plug always took an M14 aluminum crush washer. At least in the 80s/90s ATF and manual transmission drain plugs also used the same size. The MT fill plug on my '95 Integra used an M20, which the dealer sold, but where sometimes I'd find a copper or fiber equivalent. I've noticed my wife's Civic uses a wider M18 gasket for the ATF drain - I picked one up with an ATF package that included the gasket. The guy at the counter specifically asked what car, so I'm guessing some had the older models using the M14. Still not sure why it retails for more than $3 when the almost identical M14 is less than $1.

On a Toyota Camry, the factory washer was an M10 paper-coated aluminum. I did the first oil change, so I got a good look. I searched around for equivalents. The dealer had some strange composite fiber gasket that didn't seem to compress much. I'd also bought various copper and aluminum ones. I remember I'd occasionally ask if I was at a Honda dealer, and they had M10 aluminum ones - apparently for brake fittings on some early 80s model. They typically only had one or two, and I was told there was little demand for them. When desperate, I've centered a Honda M14 plug and it hasn't leaked.

For Subary it's an M20 gasket. I've occasionally used something other than the OEM or OEM type (steel P-type), but I got a whole bunch when I ordered filters online. My current stash are Dorman equivalents made in Taiwan. They work, but the finish is a little bit rough and they don't really leak but there's a bit of crusty oil crud around the bolt when I do the changes.

So this morning I picked up a Nissan copper gasket. Weirdest looking gasket I've ever seen. Still not sure which direction to point the thing, although I'm guessing it doesn't really matter.
 
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
So this morning I picked up a Nissan copper gasket. Weirdest looking gasket I've ever seen. Still not sure which direction to point the thing, although I'm guessing it doesn't really matter.


Does it look like half of a bagel? If so, I'm pretty certain the flat side goes toward the oil pan.

I used one once. Every subsequent oil change, I just forewent the crush washer and tightened the drain bolt to a solid 25 ft-lbs. It's never leaked.
 
Originally Posted By: HardbodyLoyalist
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
So this morning I picked up a Nissan copper gasket. Weirdest looking gasket I've ever seen. Still not sure which direction to point the thing, although I'm guessing it doesn't really matter.


Does it look like half of a bagel? If so, I'm pretty certain the flat side goes toward the oil pan.

I used one once. Every subsequent oil change, I just forewent the crush washer and tightened the drain bolt to a solid 25 ft-lbs. It's never leaked.

Looks kind of like a rope pulley. Reminds me a lot of clothing snap closure buttons.

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Originally Posted By: HardbodyLoyalist
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
So this morning I picked up a Nissan copper gasket. Weirdest looking gasket I've ever seen. Still not sure which direction to point the thing, although I'm guessing it doesn't really matter.


Does it look like half of a bagel? If so, I'm pretty certain the flat side goes toward the oil pan.

I used one once. Every subsequent oil change, I just forewent the crush washer and tightened the drain bolt to a solid 25 ft-lbs. It's never leaked.


It will when the threads strip .
 
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
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That's them. The side with the lip goes toward the oil pan. Although I suspect you're right in that it probably doesn't make much difference.
 
IME, doing probably thousands of oil changes total, is the crush washer doesn't matter that much. Cars that leak from the drain plug usually have a really mangled pan or plug. The washer is almost a backup.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
IME, doing probably thousands of oil changes total, is the crush washer doesn't matter that much. Cars that leak from the drain plug usually have a really mangled pan or plug. The washer is almost a backup.
I am in that situation and looking for 5/8 or 16mm crush washer. Local autoparts or hardwares store do not have any. 14mm does NOT fit. I have thought about reaming out 14mm but I would much rather have a good rubberized metal washer of 5/8 or 16mm size. If anybody knows where to get it, please let me know.
 
I always re-use crush washers and I never had any problems. My Focus has the drain plug with one of those integrated rubber gaskets and it seeps a bit, so I will have to get a new one. So unless I see evidence that the washer is not doing its job I keep re-using it.
 
I think Nissan drain plugs are shaped that way because often the drain plug has a taper at the end, and a matching taper at the oil pan.

When I worked at auto repair shops, there was a toroid shaped copper washer that would go on Nissan drain plugs and work every time.
 
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