Crown Vic replacement for NYC

[LS2JSTS]

Pretty lame article, I wonder what model Nissan is the other finalist.

I hope that Bloomberg and his panel see the wisdom in choosing the Ford.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-york-taxicab/1

 

[Bill in Utah]

 

[tig1]

Beginning to see a lot of the transets here in the heartland used as delivery vehicles. Makes good sence to use them as cabs.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Since when does government (NYC) dictate what a private corporation buys and doesn't buy? Oh, wait a minute...

On topic...both the Ford and Nissan look equally capable of the task at hand. Transporting lots of people around the city. A lot of taxi companies already use minivans like the Toyota Sienna and Dodge Grand Caravan. A Ford or Nissan version would both work just fine.

 

[Y_K]

One cab, one city, one mayor! Pretty soon they will tell you what bathroom tissue you should use.

 

[pbm]

I hope they choose the Ford because that 'Nissan' looks like a Renault to me.
What ever happened to buy American?

 

[Scienceman]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Click to reveal..

Lol Bill, you may want to use this feature for that pic!
It even says YIKES MY EYES!!!

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: pbm
What ever happened to buy American?


You know the Transit is built in Turkey, right?

Edit: it's built in a number of other countries as well, including European countries and the PRC. But not in North America.

 

[LS2JSTS]

You know that Transit and Transit Connect WILL both be built in the States, right. Besides, do you think it's irrelevant where the profits end up?

The Transit Connect production will move to either Wayne, MI or Louisville, KY in 2012 for the 2013 model year.

The Transit production will likely remain in Ohio where all Econolines are assembled now.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-to-shift-transit-connect-production-to-the-u-s-by-2012.html

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Besides, do you think it's irrelevant where the profits end up?


Yes. With the globalization of every automaker these days, nobody really knows where the money goes. The profit Ford gets from selling a Fusion may get pumped right back into modernizing the plant that builds the Fusion in Hermosillo, Mexico. In this case, what did "buying American" buy you? Supporting an auto worker and economy of another country.

Similarly, the profit that Honda gets from the sale of an Accord may go right back into the Marysville, Ohio, plant where they're built. Same could be said of the Georgetown, Kentucky, plant that builds Toyota Camrys and Venzas, etc.

It is good to know that Ford will start building the Transit here. It's the right thing to do.

 

[LS2JSTS]

It does matter and it can be followed regardless of all your maybes and mays. You may not know where the money goes, but that is your own fault, (removed insult). These are all public companies and the money trail is there to see, for those who want to know instead of guessing and posting a bunch of maybes and mays...lol

Meanwhile, in between the guesses and mays, we get to hear about Fords marginal Mexican operations as if that represents the bulk of their employment numbers. The truth is that Ford has multiple number of plants in the States for every plant that Honda has, same with Toyota. If you want to point out marginal operations that would be Marysville and Georgetown.

Do you think Ford should build ALL their cars here in the States? Why is it wrong for Ford to build cars in Mexico, meanwhile Toyota builds many models in Japan that use very little domestic content, why are those plants in Japan never mentioned in these simple minded comparisons such as yours? Is Marysville and Hermosillo the total picture? Of course not, it barely describes a sliver of reality, but dont let that stop you from repeating the same tired comparison over and over...you arent alone in this simple minded view of reality.

Profits and where they end up matter, otherwise why do these companies exist?

(Removed another insult)

 

[LS2JSTS]

And btw...if you are going to comment on these vans. Maybe you could at least get the names right?

The Transit is a full size Van, due to replace the Econoline vans in 2013-2014.

The Transit Connect is a completely different Van, much smaller and currently being offered for sale in NA.

The taxi in question is a Transit Connect not a Transit.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
And btw...if you are going to comment on these vans. Maybe you could at least get the names right?


Sure, I'd be happy to get the names right.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
....that builds the Fusion in Hermosillo, Mexico. In this case, what did "buying American" buy you?


It is good to know that Ford will start building the Transit here. It's the right thing to do.


To the first....Profits, but you have already proclaimed them irrelevant, so I can see how that could confuse you.

To the second...Does that mean that it is "wrong" for Toyota to build the Prius in Japan?

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
And btw...if you are going to comment on these vans. Maybe you could at least get the names right?


Sure, I'd be happy to get the names right.


It would be a good start.

From there you could try reading a few annual reports and start to follow that "irrelevant" profit trail. The facts are out there for those who want to actually know instead of posting guesses and a bunch of "may this" and "may that"

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
To the first....Profits, but you have already proclaimed them irrelevant, so I can see how that could confuse you.


"Profits" doesn't mean anything unless they're invested in something. Otherwise, it's just cash sitting in someone's bank account. Ford might make a profit on the sale of a Fusion, but if that "profit" is re-invested in the plant where that Fusion is made, it doesn't do the American economy much good.

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
To the second...Does that mean that it is "wrong" for Toyota to build the Prius in Japan? Or is your simple minded double standard only reserved for the domestic builders?


Yes, I believe Toyota should build the Prius here if they want to sell it here. You can call me simple-minded if you like, but insulting others doesn't progress your point any further.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
From there you could try reading a few annual reports and start to follow that "irrelevant" profit trail. The facts are out there for those who want to actually know instead of posting guesses and a bunch of "may this" and "may that"


Annual reports don't tell me enough for me to make a decision based on a "profit trail". We could argue back and forth all day on whether a Mexican Ford or an American Honda is more of a contributor to the American economy. It's like a discussion of manual vs. automatic transmissions.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
It does matter and it can be followed regardless of all your maybes and mays. You may not know where the money goes, but that is your own fault, (removed insult). These are all public companies and the money trail is there to see, for those who want to know instead of guessing and posting a bunch of maybes and mays...lol

Meanwhile, in between the guesses and mays, we get to hear about Fords marginal Mexican operations as if that represents the bulk of their employment numbers. The truth is that Ford has multiple number of plants in the States for every plant that Honda has, same with Toyota. If you want to point out marginal operations that would be Marysville and Georgetown.

Do you think Ford should build ALL their cars here in the States? Why is it wrong for Ford to build cars in Mexico, meanwhile Toyota builds many models in Japan that use very little domestic content, why are those plants in Japan never mentioned in these simple minded comparisons such as yours? Is Marysville and Hermosillo the total picture? Of course not, it barely describes a sliver of reality, but dont let that stop you from repeating the same tired comparison over and over...you arent alone in this simple minded view of reality.

Profits and where they end up matter, otherwise why do these companies exist?

(Removed another insult)




Ahh. I see you added to your post. Bill already removed your insults before I could read them, but I get the picture. I may be simple-minded, but I get thecan read between the lines.

To your last point about where vehicles are built: certainly, I won't pretend to know what's best for each company, but in my world, yes, Ford would build all of the vehicles it sells in America, in America. And yes, so would Honda, so would Toyota, etc. I believe that the production of a vehicle and its sub-components represents the most influence that purchase has on the American economy than where a marque is headquartered. You obviously don't, and that's okay. We disagree.

Insulting me because you disagree with me isn't a show of class.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
.... We could argue back and forth all day on whether a Mexican Ford or an American Honda is more of a contributor to the American economy.


No one except you ever tried to make that point. The point I'm making is if you step back and look at the bigger picture, you get a different view. Someone who is merely looking at two specific plants and trying to extrapolate from that some sense of reality is just picking points to prove a pre conceived notion.

Bigger picture is that Toyota and Honda employ a mere fraction of Americans compared to Ford and GM. Bigger picture is that Toyota and Honda build cars all over the planet just like Ford and GM do, except it's Ford and GM that continually get fingers pointed at them for building some cars in Mexico. Bigger question is why do people constantly point out Ford for doing that when they should know that EVERY company does it. It makes economic sense.

 

[JOD]

I have to confess, I love the Transit Connect. I'm pretty sure that's going to be my next car when I replace the Freestyle.

Yeah, I know it looks ridiculous but I regularly use my car to haul a bunch of stuff, and I really don't care how it looks. I'm driving a Freestyle now, after all.