Crazy Idea?

Leo · Oct 11, 2003

Since I drive my car quite hard on occasions, like runs through the hills, 1/4 miles etc, I was thinking of using a K&N filter to get the most oil flow throughout the engine. However the general consensous is that sacrifices filtration efficency for flow.

So I was thinking I use the K&N for the majority of my driving mileage and buy a PureONE and swap it in and out every 1000ks (for about 100) just to filter out all the extra fine contaminants that the K&N doesnt catch. What do you guys think?Considering that the extra fine particles are the ones that can contribute a bit to wear I thought this might be a good idea as I dont want to run a PureONE filter all the time. Im not interested in changing out AU$100 oil every 1000ks to achieve the same result. Also I dont mind changing the oil filter... I'll just keep the PureONE one in a clean place (ie not buy a new one every 1000ks!)

Is this a bit crazy and too anal or a good idea?

Mr TCar · Oct 11, 2003

If you can get them, try the fleetguard filter for your car and make sure it has stratapore media (100% synthetic).These are extremely well built and they flow much better than K&N and the filtering is way better than any other filter unless you use a bypass,trasko,canton racing,or a lot of $$$. These fleetguards that I get are $15 each and the closest place that has them is in Oklahoma and I am in central Texas, so I get them on my doorstep whenever I need them.I believe these are the best disposable oil filters out there by a long shot.More inlet and outlet holes and wire backing for the media along with synthetic media meens better flow.Just use them all the time.They are also good for extended drain intervals.Fleetguard is very proud of them,trust me.

boxcartommie22 · Oct 11, 2003

i agree with you on the fleetguard filters my filters says stratapore on the side...i also use their air filter and i just changed out my fuel filter and i used fleetguard....its a great company with the very best products..cummins does a great job..i have a 98 expy and vic4.6 and my expy is 5.4

03HD · Oct 12, 2003

Where can i get these Fleetguard Filters?

TC · Oct 13, 2003

When I first heard the name, I thought "Fleeta-guarda-whata???" I figured it was one of those small-time manufacturers that I'm always suspicious about. In fact, Fleetguard is the filter line of Cummins (www.cummins.com), one of the biggest diesel engine manufacturers around. I believe most of their filters are ho-hum cellulose (paper) filters (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but their Stratapore is truly kick-a*s filter in that it is a state-of-the-art, depth type microglass filter, essentially using fully synthetic fiberglass fabric.

That said, you used two key words in your original post, that you run your car very hard "on occasion." By definition, ANY premium filter will work perfectly well for you. You don't need a "racing" filter, although the 20 micron K&N filter does filter better than a typical cellulose media, so it will do fine assuming the bypass pressure wasn't set on Mars or at some race track. "Racing" products = cool, as in scoring with those blonde Aussie chicks. But "racing" products aren't necessarily the best choice for a car that isn't....a race car. There's always trade-offs of some type, such as a bias of flow over filtration, etc. If you're using a PureOne or other premium Aussie filter, stick with it -- the Purolator engineers designed that filter to work even at high RPMs on the street, so there's no need to go "racing" category unless you start routinely doing track events or similar. And changing your oil more often than 4K or 5K miles is completely unecessary unless you have an all-out race engine.

By the way, you should multiply any numbers previously mentioned by the square root of a kangaroo's leg count for your neck of the woods.

[ October 13, 2003, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: TC ]

RalphPWood · Oct 13, 2003

Some full flow filters are better than others but none of them clean oil. Some of them have a better sales pitch than others. If you want clean oil get a submicronic bypass filter. If your requirements are not too great get any filter that fits for the least amount of money and save yourself some money. There might be some logic in using a stronger filter if you are running over 100 psi oil pressure. To me there are two kinds of filters: The ones that clean oil and the ones that don't.

Ralph

Mykro · Oct 13, 2003

Listen to Ralph!! I installed three Frantz Filters on my PSD.. The Engine, Transmission and Fuel.. Best investment anyone can make before doing their performance modifications.
They filter like " No Other" filter on the market!
IMHO.. All other filters are "Junk". Where I noticed a big difference is when I finished installing the Frantz on the fuel line.. I immediantly notice that the engine ran so much smoother, quieter, with a bit more throttle response. Better performance across the board.. Runs as its supposed too! 99.9% pure diesel going into the engine! The results of sub-micronic cellulose (Toilet Paper) filtration is amazing...

[ October 14, 2003, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: Mykro ]

Ray H · Oct 13, 2003

And, then, there's a more conventional use for toilet paper. (And it's definitley better in that application than a full-flow oil filter, too...)

Mykro · Oct 14, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by dickwells:
I don't know what car you have Mykro, but your results seem suspiciously like the improvement seen on cars which have been unhooked from the battery, allowing the computer to reset itself to its starting position. If that's the case, your "improvements" will disappear over the next thousand miles or so. Of course some people just keep disconnecting it, but mileage does suffer. Good Luck, RW

The first sentence on my post says that I have a PSD.. Which is a Ford F-250 Super Duty 7.3L Diesel Powerstroke. I have not disconnected the battery since I have had the truck.. July 17 2003
was the day I bought it.. It had only 36,700 miles on it..
BTW..The improvments will disappear if I take the Frantz filter off the fuel line.. Believe what you will.. I'm telling you the truth..

[ October 14, 2003, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Mykro ]

Mykro · Oct 14, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Ray H:
And, then, there's a more conventional use for toilet paper. (And it's definitley better in that application than a full-flow oil filter, too...)

It will clean my backside and it will clean oil better than any spin on filter will! It is the perfect media for oil filtration.. I was skeptical too in the beginning!.. believe me.. I have researched this whole bypass filtration thing for weeks and weeks!! I brain picked everyone I came in contact with who had a Frantz or Gulf Coast filter installed on their vehicle. Not one person I talked to had any negative thing to say about it! All good!..I read and read everything I could get on the subject.. I scoured the web looking for information. I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on a whim decision.. Four months ago I would not have been caught dead owning a diesel truck! I had no clue as to how a diesel engine worked!! But I got a good deal on this truck and have since fell in love with it. I was always mediocre about vehicle maintainence with all my past trucks.. I have been kicking myself in my rear end for not jumping on the by-pass filtration band wagon 20 years ago.. I totally regret being ignorant about it!

[ October 14, 2003, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Mykro ]

Leo · Oct 14, 2003

Thanks for the informative reply TC. I have been using genuine Nissan filters however they seem pretty ordinary and **** overpriced (Like 2/3rds the cost of a K&N). The problem here is the lack of 'premium' filters . Just the Aussie 'Ryco' filters which are junk, and Valvoline (more junk). Then u get the cheap as dirt china filters which I stay well away from!

Sorry what I mean by driving hard 'on occations' is that almost every week I go on a cruise to the hills and that means plenty of WOT blasts! Also I like to boost it alot on the street

I'll look into these Fleetguard filters cos they look the goods however I reckon I might have trouble finding them. I'll look for a Cummins dealer around here locally first. Otherwise I might just get a K&N and leave it at that. And dw, i'll be keepin the oil in for at least 5000ks. Cant afford stuff thats $20/L every month

Btw i might might look into Bypass filtering if its not too outragous in price. I hate the stock filter location anyway!!

rpn453 · Oct 14, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Leo:
Is this a bit crazy and too anal or a good idea?

How about a good idea that's a bit crazy and too anal?

DEWFPO · Oct 14, 2003

Leo,

Why not just run a dual filter (remote) set up with 1 K&N filter and 1 pure one filter (at the same time), then you have the best of both worlds and don't need to change.

DEWFPO

dickwells · Oct 14, 2003

I don't know what car you have Mykro, but your results seem suspiciously like the improvement seen on cars which have been unhooked from the battery, allowing the computer to reset itself to its starting position. If that's the case, your "improvements" will disappear over the next thousand miles or so. Of course some people just keep disconnecting it, but mileage does suffer. Good Luck, RW

RalphPWood · Oct 15, 2003

Mykro

The Australians have a copy of the old Frantz of the fiftys. I have no idea what the name of it is. The British have one that looks like a roll of tp with a very small core. It's all just high quality cellulose. Oil and fuel has to be cleaner after it travels thru 4" of cellulose than after it travels thru 1/32" of cellulose. The old Fram bypass filters were far superior to any modern pleated paper filter.
Frantz got their start about 1953 adapting the old bypass filters to use toilet paper. Actually all a Motor Guard or Frantz filter can do is keep the oil clean 100% of the time. Clean oil can do a lot of things. I don't understand how they were able to convince people that allowing oil to get dirty then changing it is proper maintenance. The best filter Fleetguard has used shredded news papers. Cellulose is cellulose how well it cleans oil depends on how concentrated it is. Tp is concentrated. I was just talking to a guy that said his father had a Motor Guard. I got an email from a guy in Israel that said he remembers as a child watching his mother change the Frantz on the Volvo. The military buys a lot of Gulf Coast filters. I am like every one else I have my favorite.

Ralph

sprintman · Oct 21, 2003

Ralph ex co-worker orderd a Frantz TP filter from the US say 2 mths back. Are you saying we could buy locally? How would I find Aussie Frntz? tks..s

Mykro · Oct 21, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by sprintman:
Ralph ex co-worker orderd a Frantz TP filter from the US say 2 mths back. Are you saying we could buy locally? How would I find Aussie Frntz? tks..s

Call Deborah The owner of Frantz in the USA
208 467 3726

Or go to the website www.wefilterit.com

unDummy · Oct 21, 2003

I vote for a remote dual full flow filter. This way you can run the KN and Pureone at the same time parallel.

Spector · Oct 21, 2003

Don't waste your time and money on switching filters and or a bypass. In the overall scheme fo things with the engine it won't make a hill of beans difference in the life. Just keep changing your oil .

Leo · Oct 21, 2003

Yeah I think I'll follow Spector's and TC's advice. I'll get a K&N (M1 and others not available here) and stick with that, as its filtering efficiency is still quite a bit better than the stock cellulose type with a bonus in flow rate. I'll probably just change the oil out every 5000ks!!

Thanks for your input guys, even tho I dunno what everyone is talkin about these Frantz filters for? Haha

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