Michelin takes that award.
Continental introduces another tire we won't get in the US/Canada
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edyvw
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Good Year to my knowledge always had a factory in Europe. They acquired both brands much later.
But, there is no doubt, GY has a much different and more polished strategy in Europe. STill, their decline in performance/quality comes several years after they could not keep up with Bridgestone in F1, and they just left.
i never forget what i say .on the contrary is you who forget what you say when you are backed into a corner of you being wrong and start insulting. the ''i am from europe'' is your words. i said '' i lived in nordic country'' perhaps if you actually payed more attention to my arguments to understand how wrong you are.
wow the great endy insulting for a thousand time a european member whose english is not his mother language just to show that he is out of argument one more time. how low can you get? discrimination , making it personal, just to justify your lack of arguments each time when you are backed into a corner of you being wrong.
and why am i here for endy? for the 10th,???? i don't know ,i lost counting , time i will show you THAT YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN WITH REAL ARGUMENTS..so are you ready to hear what you asked? go for it!
https://toptirereview.com/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-6-vs-michelin-pilot-sport-4s/
and one more to show you that you don't know a thing about tyres and how good is GOODYEAR IN EUROPE
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-4S-VS-Goodyear-Eagle-F1-SuperSport.htm
Gesundheit!
I've heard spicy news that Continental is ahole, they have products with low quality rubber on bottom layers. To save € and make shareholders happy. Upper layer is good quality to pass the tests of course...
the argument that because a tyre company, goodyear you mention, leaves F1 and that means they make crap tyres for the average driver is an argument we all used when we were kids.
this is why continental got so big! the company was not known outside of germany and some north europe countries.it became famous because they invested more money to their aggressive campain. paying tyre shop owners to promote their tyres with a good deal and placing their firm on the top of their shop all over the world. now imagine liqui moly.who knew that company in the US just before their aggressive advertising? no one. its the same thing. imagine fuchs oil company that many here in bitog make fun of because of their name and because they don't know anything about it, to start placing adds everywhere and beeing sponsor to many events or shops. will that make it a good company?
after so many years ,drivers started complaining and tyre shop owners broke the deal.they need satisfied clients .
edyvw
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I never said they make crap tires. I said there was inconsistency, and they are not on apr Continental. That is different than crap tires, plural. Yes, when one buys tires, and all four go out for found after 10-15,000 miles, they are considered crap. GY had numerous models with those issues.
Leaving F1 was a time when they just fell behind Michelin (especially Michelin), Bridgestone, Pirelli, and Continental. That does not mean someone buying a tire for some specific vehicle won't be satisfied. But if you discuss brand and not specific model, then all their products should be considered.
edyvw
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At this point, I think reading and comprehension might be an issue.
edyvw
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Tire tests are a good indicator of a new tire. Most people who use these tires on track for example, buy them bcs. their performance retention. And in that category, there is only one brand that rules over others, Michelin.
The question is: bang for a buck. For example, I am getting Firestone Firehawk Indy500 soon. Tire is drastically cheaper than Michelin PS4S or PSS. Yes, it will return slower lap times, but I am not getting paid for it. It lasts long, so it is a good financial proposition. If GY would offer something in that price range, I would get it too.
But, if I wanted to squeeze out every bit of performance as long as possible, ONLY Michelin!
The difference between for example PSS and other tires is that I am at 3/32 with them, and they still go through the rain like new. I have yet to see other tires performing like that, GY or Continental.
Interesting.
I don't do track days myself.
But have used many Firestone tires on loaders, semi trucks, trailers, pickups, and cars, and never had a premature failure. I consider Firestone a great tire.
I put Continental tires on my old Corvette, and they were not good for me at all. Then put a set on my wife's street bike about a decade ago, and she hated them. I took them off a few weeks later and replaced them for her, making her very happy.
We all have different experiences. From my experience Continental is one of the worst tires made, far worse than most other brands. Bridgestone and Firestone are the same company now I think.
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edyvw
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Bridgestone owns Firestone for a long time. Indy500 is not any kind of benchmark other than being good bang for a buck. I think tire is sold on other markets as Bridgestone Potenza “something.” It is popular among track folks who use same set up for street and track, you know, when one just goes to blow off some steam. If I was chasing time, I would probably go Michelin CUP2 etc.
As for Continental, their performance tires are not as present on track as others as they tend to have softer walls. They deiver comparable to better time, but feedback on dry is not as good as Michelin or especially Bridgestone, but than Bridgestone tends to be harsh over cracks etc. and bit too eager in wet.
Last Continental I owned was Viking7, and it is IMO better tire than Bridgestone WS90 which I have on both Tiguan and BMW for winter. But, price went up big time, and slightly better performance INO doesn’t justify $30 higher price over Bridgestone WS90, which is anyway phenomenal tire.
Their DWS06 is benchmark among performance AS tires. DW is really well liked. I know @TiGeo is running them on track.
stay with me endy,we are talking about tyres not english and from what i see ,you are trying to avoid the subject! you are trying to get away from the corner but you still cant. you like it there.i answered to all your selfish-ego ''i know'' arguments , with facts, everyone realised how clueless you are on tyre market .adac, tyrereviews.com, wikipedia all respectable sites prove that you are wrong and you are still insisting on your ''i know'' argument. i defeated you , everyone sees that, its time you see that too.
you are still on the ropes of your corner and you are trying to escape . i answered to you.but i don't take back any answer from you. you heard tyre experts answering to you and you still trying to avoid it.don't try to lead the conversation where you feel comfortable. it's ok if you don't know.because you don't know anything about tyres of TODAY.
its not bad to admit that you don't know..say that you don't know! you will feel better!
most of the tracks, buses and any big automobile in Europe uses Goodyear tyres. they make more miles and they are very hard to beat.
edyvw
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i must say, you do offer insight into your personality.
Print whatever you wrote, and spend some time rereading it.
Sure. Just say you don't know or don't answer at all.
You are not helping anyone.
oh and i forgot.did you reread yours ? no ,so i will remind your writings on this topic to fell more embarrassed:
later
oops!!
continental is owned by Schaeffler Group .
...
"Continental appeared to have overextended itself with the acquisition of Siemens' VDO automotive unit in 2007 for €11.4 billion[40] and had lost almost half of its market capitalisation since.[22]
In August 2008 and after a protracted standoff, Continental agreed to be taken over by the Schaeffler Group in a deal that valued the company at approximately €12 billion."
Continental was founded in 1871 as a rubber manufacturer, Continental-Caoutchouc und Gutta-PerchaCompagnie.
uniroyal: "Our fascination for wet weather driving dates back to 1868 and the foresight of a small shop owner in Liege."
as you see you are wrong again!
and why am i here for endy? for the 10th,???? i don't know ,i lost counting , time i will show you THAT YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN WITH REAL ARGUMENTS..so are you ready to hear what you asked? go for it!
https://toptirereview.com/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-6-vs-michelin-pilot-sport-4s/
and one more to show you that you don't know a thing about tyres and how good is GOODYEAR IN EUROPE
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S VS Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport - Tyre Reviews and Tests
This video is a long term real world review of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S and the new Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport. 1,500 miles were driven on each set of tyres using an e92 BMW M3 and BMW M2 ...
finally i will show you tyre-reviews evaluation from drivers ,real buyers like me and you, who tried both winter brands :
which shows that goodyear winter tyres are at least equal to continentals
you are good with oils but about tyre market ,
you actually have no idea. You could just just say that.
It is ok ,We all have limits.
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edyvw
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Again, print all this, get on bed or couch, popcorn, and read it out loud to yourself.Sure. Just say you don't know or don't answer at all.
You are not helping anyone.
oh and i forgot.did you reread yours ? no ,so i will remind your writings on this topic to fell more embarrassed:
later
oops!!
continental is owned by Schaeffler Group .
...
"Continental appeared to have overextended itself with the acquisition of Siemens' VDO automotive unit in 2007 for €11.4 billion[40] and had lost almost half of its market capitalisation since.[22]
In August 2008 and after a protracted standoff, Continental agreed to be taken over by the Schaeffler Group in a deal that valued the company at approximately €12 billion."
Continental was founded in 1871 as a rubber manufacturer, Continental-Caoutchouc und Gutta-PerchaCompagnie.
uniroyal: "Our fascination for wet weather driving dates back to 1868 and the foresight of a small shop owner in Liege."
as you see you are wrong again!
and why am i here for endy? for the 10th,???? i don't know ,i lost counting , time i will show you THAT YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN WITH REAL ARGUMENTS..so are you ready to hear what you asked? go for it!
https://toptirereview.com/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-6-vs-michelin-pilot-sport-4s/
and one more to show you that you don't know a thing about tyres and how good is GOODYEAR IN EUROPE
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S VS Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport - Tyre Reviews and Tests
This video is a long term real world review of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S and the new Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport. 1,500 miles were driven on each set of tyres using an e92 BMW M3 and BMW M2 ...
www.tyrereviews.com
finally i will show you tyre-reviews evaluation from drivers ,real buyers like me and you, who tried both winter brands :
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which shows that goodyear winter tyres are at least equal to continentals
you are good with oils but about tyre market ,
you actually have no idea. You could just just say that.
It is ok ,We all have limits.
i prefer to read it out loud to you..its time to apologise to your self .
i understand, you run out of arguments ,the wrong ones,its ok..
just say that you are wrong, , we all understand how you feel.
edyvw
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You win.
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O: No it isn't!
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So basically a tire thread, became anything but a tire thread.
Maybe I should start a best tractor made thread, and see if it helps my choice for a new heat pump for my home.
Maybe I should start a best tractor made thread, and see if it helps my choice for a new heat pump for my home.
Another european here...
from my experience:
- Michelin: the gold standard for consistency and useful durability - may not be the best when new, but within striking distance, and somehow they manage to keep their performance relatively constant through the tyres life. The only tyre I feel confident driving down to legal tread depth minimum - which is 1.6mm in Germany. (You obviously have to have your senses together when doing so: while the rubber still works as it should, it can only do so if it is in contact with the road. At such low tread depths, there cannot be much aquaplaning resistance left.)
- Goodyear: for a long time the only manfacturer besides Vredestein who could make an all-season tyre that was not totally rubbish, but semi-usable. Winter tyres had a pretty decent reputation for the last decades (matches my personal experience); with summer tyres they are currently making a comeback after about a decade or a decade and a half during which they just weren't existing in the "public" (i.e. car enthuisiast) perception. I've never heard of them producing real duds, just that their summer offerings used to be a bit lackluster and not worth the price premium.
But now, the Eagle F6 asymmetric in particular seems to be very highly regarded amongst car enthusiasts (although I have no personal experience with this tyre yet), especially as it is priced very competetively.
- Dunlop: overall pretty good, used to be close to Michelin (but not quite there). Winter tyres always quite good. Their performance tyres (Sportmaxx RT and TT) were all the rage a decade ago, but they seem to have fallen behind the curve a bit during the last couple of years. As if they are reversing roles with Goodyear...
- Vredestein: not great, not terrible. Up until recently the only option when you wanted an all-season that kind of worked (Quattrac used to be summer biased, with better handling, while Goodyear Vector AS was a winter tyre in disguise). I found my Q3 to be a bit harsh rolling, but with good feedback, steering response and, while not offering the highest grip levels, to be very controllable at the limit. Might choose again if the use case arises (i.e. a car that should not see salty winter roads, but needs to be able to survive an alpine weather swing).
- Pirelli: fun when new, always relatively light and responsive; don't age well.
- Continental: Great when new, garbage shortly thereafter. I see why they win practically every test they enter... Winter tyres last one season, summer tyres less than that. I've had two set of EcoContact and Eco Contact 2 lose ALL wet grip within one weekend (at that time I used to drive ~1600km per weekend to commute home and back to my garrison). An asthmatic naturally aspirated diesel with 88hp/168Nm mated to a an antiquated slushbox with a very soft torque converter and no tc lockup shut NOT be able to kick out it's rear when starting from a traffic light.
Funnily, I've had far better experiences with Conti's sub-brands:
- Barum: somewhat ok-ish allrounder at value pricing. 3 roentgen. Not great, not terrible. Seem somewhat "rounded", without any obvious strengths or weeknesses, just at a not very high level. Underwhelming. Not my tyre of choice, because in my tyre sizes a good tyre costs only a small premium. Other Conti subrands seem to have very strong edges with very defined strengths and weaknesses:
- Semperit: strong dry bias. Summer tyres useless in wet. Winter tyres were pretty good all-seasons: surprisingly agile and un-squishy in the dry (even at high temperatures >20°C), ok to good in wet. Useless in fresh snow and slush. Perfect tyre if you live in the flat stretch besides the Rhine in south-west Germany close to the french border, that has one the warmest and mildest climate; but stay out of the mountains.
- Gislaved: had one set of nordic winter tyres when I lived in the Eifel region (mountainous, not very high, but steep grades; can get hefty snow) and had to leave home before the snow plows went through. Great on ice and frsh snow, ok-ish with slush; ridiculously bad at everything else. Low grip in wet, comically bad in the dry. As if they were tripping over their own abrasive debris... But the only way to get a w123 over a 10% slope in fresh snow without chains.
- Uniroyal: my current favourite for cars that do not eat massive miles. Reference tyre for rain. Good (but not the best) in wet grip, incredible for aquaplaning resistance. Rubber is very soft, which means they get very squishy and wear like a pencil eraser on hot summer days. Very soft rubber also means they age very gracefully. On the Opel-Saab we have a set of winter tyres that is now close to ten years old, but still behaves like rubber and not plastic. No cracks, no dry rot, nothing. Still sticky. Recommendation for collector cars that get driven very sparingly if you do not want to throw away full-tread tyres every four years... and for people who drive any day, any weather, and want something that keeps them safe in a rainstorm with standing water on the tarmac. Not the most economical if you drive a lot, also not the most sporty and responsive; not very good in the dry (as expected - lots of negative profile means less rubber on the ground...).
from my experience:
- Michelin: the gold standard for consistency and useful durability - may not be the best when new, but within striking distance, and somehow they manage to keep their performance relatively constant through the tyres life. The only tyre I feel confident driving down to legal tread depth minimum - which is 1.6mm in Germany. (You obviously have to have your senses together when doing so: while the rubber still works as it should, it can only do so if it is in contact with the road. At such low tread depths, there cannot be much aquaplaning resistance left.)
- Goodyear: for a long time the only manfacturer besides Vredestein who could make an all-season tyre that was not totally rubbish, but semi-usable. Winter tyres had a pretty decent reputation for the last decades (matches my personal experience); with summer tyres they are currently making a comeback after about a decade or a decade and a half during which they just weren't existing in the "public" (i.e. car enthuisiast) perception. I've never heard of them producing real duds, just that their summer offerings used to be a bit lackluster and not worth the price premium.
But now, the Eagle F6 asymmetric in particular seems to be very highly regarded amongst car enthusiasts (although I have no personal experience with this tyre yet), especially as it is priced very competetively.
- Dunlop: overall pretty good, used to be close to Michelin (but not quite there). Winter tyres always quite good. Their performance tyres (Sportmaxx RT and TT) were all the rage a decade ago, but they seem to have fallen behind the curve a bit during the last couple of years. As if they are reversing roles with Goodyear...
- Vredestein: not great, not terrible. Up until recently the only option when you wanted an all-season that kind of worked (Quattrac used to be summer biased, with better handling, while Goodyear Vector AS was a winter tyre in disguise). I found my Q3 to be a bit harsh rolling, but with good feedback, steering response and, while not offering the highest grip levels, to be very controllable at the limit. Might choose again if the use case arises (i.e. a car that should not see salty winter roads, but needs to be able to survive an alpine weather swing).
- Pirelli: fun when new, always relatively light and responsive; don't age well.
- Continental: Great when new, garbage shortly thereafter. I see why they win practically every test they enter... Winter tyres last one season, summer tyres less than that. I've had two set of EcoContact and Eco Contact 2 lose ALL wet grip within one weekend (at that time I used to drive ~1600km per weekend to commute home and back to my garrison). An asthmatic naturally aspirated diesel with 88hp/168Nm mated to a an antiquated slushbox with a very soft torque converter and no tc lockup shut NOT be able to kick out it's rear when starting from a traffic light.
Funnily, I've had far better experiences with Conti's sub-brands:
- Barum: somewhat ok-ish allrounder at value pricing. 3 roentgen. Not great, not terrible. Seem somewhat "rounded", without any obvious strengths or weeknesses, just at a not very high level. Underwhelming. Not my tyre of choice, because in my tyre sizes a good tyre costs only a small premium. Other Conti subrands seem to have very strong edges with very defined strengths and weaknesses:
- Semperit: strong dry bias. Summer tyres useless in wet. Winter tyres were pretty good all-seasons: surprisingly agile and un-squishy in the dry (even at high temperatures >20°C), ok to good in wet. Useless in fresh snow and slush. Perfect tyre if you live in the flat stretch besides the Rhine in south-west Germany close to the french border, that has one the warmest and mildest climate; but stay out of the mountains.
- Gislaved: had one set of nordic winter tyres when I lived in the Eifel region (mountainous, not very high, but steep grades; can get hefty snow) and had to leave home before the snow plows went through. Great on ice and frsh snow, ok-ish with slush; ridiculously bad at everything else. Low grip in wet, comically bad in the dry. As if they were tripping over their own abrasive debris... But the only way to get a w123 over a 10% slope in fresh snow without chains.
- Uniroyal: my current favourite for cars that do not eat massive miles. Reference tyre for rain. Good (but not the best) in wet grip, incredible for aquaplaning resistance. Rubber is very soft, which means they get very squishy and wear like a pencil eraser on hot summer days. Very soft rubber also means they age very gracefully. On the Opel-Saab we have a set of winter tyres that is now close to ten years old, but still behaves like rubber and not plastic. No cracks, no dry rot, nothing. Still sticky. Recommendation for collector cars that get driven very sparingly if you do not want to throw away full-tread tyres every four years... and for people who drive any day, any weather, and want something that keeps them safe in a rainstorm with standing water on the tarmac. Not the most economical if you drive a lot, also not the most sporty and responsive; not very good in the dry (as expected - lots of negative profile means less rubber on the ground...).
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