Continental introduces another tire we won't get in the US/Canada

[camrydriver111]

In Europe in many countries you need 3pmsf tires in the Winter, so All-Weather or Winter is required.

In US there is no such requirement, so the market for All Weather tires is small.

All Seasons in EU is All Weather in US.

 

[UG_Passat]

In Europe in many countries you need 3pmsf tires in the Winter, so All-Weather or Winter is required.

In US there is no such requirement, so the market for All Weather tires is small.

All Seasons in EU is All Weather in US.

In Canada, you have the 3PMSF mandate in Quebec

In the US, only certain areas mandate 3PMSF in order to drive your vehicle during snowy road conditions.

 

[svenson]

All manufacturers have much better tires in Europe than here.
Good Year has excellent winter tires in Europe, and were for a long time undisputed leader in both quality and performance.
Here? An afterthought.
the US tire market usually reminds me: we can get away with it, so why not.

Uniroyal is the third step down in the Michelin lineup. It is a budget tire below BF Goodrich and above Tigar etc.
Continental was not only best in winter comparison tests, but when you buy Continental, you buy tire that will last and won't go out of round like let's say, Good Year. I had more than 25 winter sets in Europe on personal vehicles and bought numerous for business I have with my brother, and Continental was always my top choice for a winter tire. Good Year lost it somewhere after they replaced GY Ultra Grip 6+. That was like 17-18 years ago.
The Good Year is hit or miss. Nowhere close in quality to Continental.

please decide eddy.

i am not comparing winter tyres between conti and goodyear. i am saying GY is better overall and there are better winter tyres than contis.viking a budget brand own by conti again, is also a good winter company too. you see continental was not making winter tyres.they borrowed technology from these 2 companies to make their own.continental has started by making sport tyres for bicycles and later for cars.
another very respectable company here in Europe for winter tyres is nokian, not the sell phone, lol. google it!

Except in Europe, which is where Svenson is. In Europe, the Uniroyal brand is owned by Conti. which makes Svenson's comment kind of funny - unless he meant bang-for-the-buck.

i know that is a part of conti. but its not the same company. what is funny and you dont know is that uniroyal was there before conti and made tyres for winter since its begging of time. uniroyal tyre here is called THE RAIN TYRE. thus the logo with the umbrella.can it be more winter?

by the way uniroyal was running at leman when conti was not known yet. thats for the history.

bmw europe had a contract with conti for many years and its been 5 years now that bmw broke their agreement with conti because most of the tyres they put on their dealerships were problematic . worn very fast, bubbles etc.
pirreli was the new agreement for bmw and they are pretty good , better than contis.

although conti is the prenium brand of the group ,uniroyal is an expert on winter tyres and cheaper too. i got same miles and perfomance with both.but contis were becoming more hard the second year. .

conti established as part of their aggressive campaign many tyre shops with their label on it and paid a lot the technicians to promote their brand. was very well known in germany but in other countries wasn't so popular. because of that aggressive campaign they became very famous and is now prenium considered in people minds.t o me its just a liqui molly like company.not band but nothing special.

 

[svenson]

I've had tires in the past with a similar tread pattern and found them to be very quiet. If it were made as a self sealing tire, or even a run flat, it would be ideal for my Mercedes 4Matic.
Maybe their not making it in a run flat, which many US car makers are now specing to save weight/meet CAFE.

i am not a fan of runflats but uniroyal managed to create now one of the best and quiet runflats in market.if you find it ,try it. although the goodyear runflats are very good too.

 

[edyvw]

please decide eddy.

i am not comparing winter tyres between conti and goodyear. i am saying GY is better overall and there are better winter tyres than contis.viking a budget brand own by conti again, is also a good winter company too. you see continental was not making winter tyres.they borrowed technology from these 2 companies to make their own.continental has started by making sport tyres for bicycles and later for cars.
another very respectable company here in Europe for winter tyres is nokian, not the sell phone, lol. google it!

i know that is a part of conti. but its not the same company. what is funny and you dont know is that uniroyal was there before conti and made tyres for winter since its begging of time. uniroyal tyre here is called THE RAIN TYRE. thus the logo with the umbrella.can it be more winter?

by the way uniroyal was running at leman when conti was not known yet. thats for the history.

bmw europe had a contract with conti for many years and its been 5 years now that bmw broke their agreement with conti because most of the tyres they put on their dealerships were problematic . worn very fast, bubbles etc.
pirreli was the new agreement for bmw and they are pretty good , better than contis.

although conti is the prenium brand of the group ,uniroyal is an expert on winter tyres and cheaper too. i got same miles and perfomance with both.but contis were becoming more hard the second year. .

conti established as part of their aggressive campaign many tyre shops with their label on it and paid a lot the technicians to promote their brand. was very well known in germany but in other countries wasn't so popular. because of that aggressive campaign they became very famous and is now prenium considered in people minds.t o me its just a liqui molly like company.not band but nothing special.

To say your thread is nonsense would be gross understatement.
1. Continental is far healthier company than GY. That comes with quality. I mentioned to you that. GY, especially in the US is notorious for inconsistency.
2. Uniroyal was once a great company. WAS, ONCE! And it is actually a younger company than the original Continental rubber company. Like so many companies that went under (Firestone, BF Goodrich etc). Just because a company was once some benchmark doesn’t magically transfer into products that will always be a benchmark. Uniroyal you think you are talking about does not exist for decades! Continental is the owner of Uniroyal since 1979! 1979!!! That means that whatever you thought of Uniroyal, you are actually talking about Continental. What Uniroyal Europe sells, sells basically as Continental technology, and so does Barum. The same goes in the US; what Uniroyal sells is Michelin technology and what Michelin decides products will be.
3. Continental is in the winter tire business since winter tires became known. The reason Is that the MOST critical winter tire market is not Scandinavia, but Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, and surrounding countries. The most challenging winter driving is actually not in Nordic countries, but in Central European countries the Alps and Southern Alps cover. For Continental not to have a winter tire portfolio since winter tire inceptions, would be like having a sausage restaurant in Bavaria without Bratwurst.

 

[malibuguy79]

Got Vredestein Quatracs on the wifes car. Great all around tire. What I love especially about it that it just seems to roll nicely. Like they have less rolling resistance then the original Firestones

 

[svenson]

To say your thread is nonsense would be gross understatement.
1. Continental is far healthier company than GY. That comes with quality. I mentioned to you that. GY, especially in the US is notorious for inconsistency.
2. Uniroyal was once a great company. WAS, ONCE! And it is actually a younger company than the original Continental rubber company. Like so many companies that went under (Firestone, BF Goodrich etc). Just because a company was once some benchmark doesn’t magically transfer into products that will always be a benchmark. Uniroyal you think you are talking about does not exist for decades! Continental is the owner of Uniroyal since 1979! 1979!!! That means that whatever you thought of Uniroyal, you are actually talking about Continental. What Uniroyal Europe sells, sells basically as Continental technology, and so does Barum. The same goes in the US; what Uniroyal sells is Michelin technology and what Michelin decides products will be.
3. Continental is in the winter tire business since winter tires became known. The reason Is that the MOST critical winter tire market is not Scandinavia, but Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, and surrounding countries. The most challenging winter driving is actually not in Nordic countries, but in Central European countries the Alps and Southern Alps cover. For Continental not to have a winter tire portfolio since winter tire inceptions, would be like having a sausage restaurant in Bavaria without Bratwurst.

nothing personal there.
relax, don't get angry. people that start insult people during a conversation are the ones that know they are wrong.because they lack of arguments.your arguments on the other hand is full of falsehoods and untruths. stay with oils threads.

lets take it one-by-one:
you said

1. Continental is far healthier company than GY.

continental is owned by Schaeffler Group .
...
"Continental appeared to have overextended itself with the acquisition of Siemens' VDO automotive unit in 2007 for €11.4 billion[40] and had lost almost half of its market capitalisation since.[22]
In August 2008 and after a protracted standoff, Continental agreed to be taken over by the Schaeffler Group in a deal that valued the company at approximately €12 billion."

how healthy is that ???

GOODYEAR on the other hand, is NOT OWNED by any company instead its expanding, expanding, expanding...now which is far healthier ? you know..according to your argument ,not mine, quality comes with the healthiest company and the winner is GOODYEAR!

GY, especially in the US is notorious for inconsistency.

in Europe isn't, its very respectable as i already mentioned to you. and its reputation rises and rises...

2. Uniroyal was once a great company. WAS, ONCE! And it is actually a younger company than the original Continental rubber company.

Continental was founded in 1871 as a rubber manufacturer, Continental-Caoutchouc und Gutta-PerchaCompagnie.
uniroyal: "Our fascination for wet weather driving dates back to 1868 and the foresight of a small shop owner in Liege."
as you see you are wrong again!
to me which company is older doesn't really matter to show quality. hancook is younger than both of them and its quality is improving really fast. mercedes here in europe ,in some countries puts hancook for their tyres.that means a lot for quality.not which is older.they used to put continentals like bmw did, but since they realised how crap they are ,they ditched them!

Just because a company was once some benchmark doesn’t magically transfer into products that will always be a benchmark. Uniroyal you think you are talking about does not exist for decades!

and there was a reason for that. and the funny thing is that you go against your own argument.because the reason that uniroyal was doing bad is that ,it was and is, an expert on winter tyres.how can you survive in a global market when you produce and you rise your reputation by selling only one good line while others are selling more? that is why was bought from another company.as for who copies who:
''Uniroyal tyres. Tyre manufacturer Uniroyal is part of the Continental group and is considered the inventor of “rain tyres”. Ever since 1895, the Belgian manufacturer has been producing tyres that meet highest expectations. Outstanding focus is put on Uniroyal tyres to show great driving properties in wet surroundings.''

read history of tyres again eddy!

3. Continental is in the winter tire business since winter tires became known. The reason Is that the MOST critical winter tire market is not Scandinavia, but Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, and surrounding countries. The most challenging winter driving is actually not in Nordic countries, but in Central European countries the Alps and Southern Alps cover. For Continental not to have a winter tire portfolio since winter tire inceptions, would be like having a sausage restaurant in Bavaria without Bratwurst.

i doubt that for the winter thing. weather is not steady in northern europe. sometimes in central europe the weather is mild, sometimes is better than south europe,like sometimes this spring.but on the nordic countries the weather is always on the edge ,its like comparing winter in chicago with winter in alaska, really bad argument eddy.
now your argument is that because winter in germany is bad ,the tyre company that has to cover their needs for winter tyres , has to be from germany and because its from germany thus its the best, sounds ridiculous .as i already said this argument is like the Liqui ,made in german ,Moly argument.

 

[edyvw]

nothing personal there.
relax, don't get angry. people that start insult people during a conversation are the ones that know they are wrong.because they lack of arguments.your arguments on the other hand is full of falsehoods and untruths. stay with oils threads.

lets take it one-by-one:
you said

continental is owned by Schaeffler Group .
...
"Continental appeared to have overextended itself with the acquisition of Siemens' VDO automotive unit in 2007 for €11.4 billion[40] and had lost almost half of its market capitalisation since.[22]
In August 2008 and after a protracted standoff, Continental agreed to be taken over by the Schaeffler Group in a deal that valued the company at approximately €12 billion."

how healthy is that ???

GOODYEAR on the other hand, is NOT OWNED by any company instead its expanding, expanding, expanding...now which is far healthier ? you know..according to your argument ,not mine, quality comes with the healthiest company and the winner is GOODYEAR!



in Europe isn't, its very respectable as i already mentioned to you. and its reputation rises and rises...


Continental was founded in 1871 as a rubber manufacturer, Continental-Caoutchouc und Gutta-PerchaCompagnie.
uniroyal: "Our fascination for wet weather driving dates back to 1868 and the foresight of a small shop owner in Liege."
as you see you are wrong again!
to me which company is older doesn't really matter to show quality. hancook is younger than both of them and its quality is improving really fast. mercedes here in europe ,in some countries puts hancook for their tyres.that means a lot for quality.not which is older.they used to put continentals like bmw did, but since they realised how crap they are ,they ditched them!


and there was a reason for that. and the funny thing is that you go against your own argument.because the reason that uniroyal was doing bad is that ,it was and is, an expert on winter tyres.how can you survive in a global market when you produce and you rise your reputation by selling only one good line while others are selling more? that is why was bought from another company.as for who copies who:
''Uniroyal tyres. Tyre manufacturer Uniroyal is part of the Continental group and is considered the inventor of “rain tyres”. Ever since 1895, the Belgian manufacturer has been producing tyres that meet highest expectations. Outstanding focus is put on Uniroyal tyres to show great driving properties in wet surroundings.''

read history of tyres again eddy!




i doubt that for the winter thing. weather is not steady in northern europe. sometimes in central europe the weather is mild, sometimes is better than south europe,like sometimes this spring.but on the nordic countries the weather is always on the edge ,its like comparing winter in chicago with winter in alaska, really bad argument eddy.
now your argument is that because winter in germany is bad ,the tyre company that has to cover their needs for winter tyres , has to be from germany and because its from germany thus its the best, sounds ridiculous .as i already said this argument is like the Liqui ,made in german ,Moly argument.

So exactly what did you write here?
I am from Europe, I know what is respected or not. GY has a better portfolio than here, but it ain't Michelin, Bridgestone, or COntinental. It is not since they left F1 some 20+yrs ago.
And for everything else: inventor of rain tires? Really? What, other tires did not role in rain?
Belguim company was basically a contractor for American Uniroyal. Continental bought the name. Since 1979 you are driving Continental when purchasing Uniroyal. It is as simple as that.

I worked on car testing in Nordic countries. Their winter, unless we are talking polar circle, is mild. Especially Norway.
I did not say they are best bcs. Germany. You are putting words into my mouth. I said they have covered that for a loooong time. Longer than GY for example. But yes, Continental is always in the top 3, if not the top. Personally, I find their winter tires best so far, and I am using them, GY, Michelin, Bridgestone, Nokian, for 25+ years. Uniroyal? no.

 

[chris719]

I’m not a fan of generalizing. I think every model has to be evaluated individually because every manufacturer has some models that are better or worse.

 

[krzyss]

Nokian is known in the USA as "inventor" of winter tires.
If it is true is not that important.

Until recently they were positioning themselves as "super premium" brand, especially their winter and all weather (they were the only game on the continent) offerings.
They were more expensive than Michelin or Bridgestone (Blizzak seem to have cult following in the USA).

They were poor value proposition.

After building factory in the USA I think their prices started to be less super premium but I may be wrong.

Krzyś

 

[edyvw]

Nokian is known in the USA as "inventor" of winter tires.
If it is true is not that important.

Until recently they were positioning themselves as "super premium" brand, especially their winter and all weather (they were the only game on the continent) offerings.
They were more expensive than Michelin or Bridgestone (Blizzak seem to have cult following in the USA).

They were poor value proposition.

After building factory in the USA I think their prices started to be less super premium but I may be wrong.

Krzyś

They could try to position themselves in whichever way they want, but they ain't in that league.
They are becoming better value with that factory. I think that cost of operation did not leave them any other option but to play that "super-premium" card. And some people really believed it.

 

[svenson]

So exactly what did you write here?
I am from Europe, I know what is respected or not. GY has a better portfolio than here, but it ain't Michelin, Bridgestone, or COntinental. It is not since they left F1 some 20+yrs ago.
And for everything else: inventor of rain tires? Really? What, other tires did not role in rain?
Belguim company was basically a contractor for American Uniroyal. Continental bought the name. Since 1979 you are driving Continental when purchasing Uniroyal. It is as simple as that.

I worked on car testing in Nordic countries. Their winter, unless we are talking polar circle, is mild. Especially Norway.
I did not say they are best bcs. Germany. You are putting words into my mouth. I said they have covered that for a loooong time. Longer than GY for example. But yes, Continental is always in the top 3, if not the top. Personally, I find their winter tires best so far, and I am using them, GY, Michelin, Bridgestone, Nokian, for 25+ years. Uniroyal? no.

i already said the, what is better, is debatable. i think you are pretty messed up with your head.just because you are from europe doesn't mean you are the wizard of everything and what you say is the golden rule. really? is this your best argument to what i wrote? then my friend you really lack of knowledge. i am disappointed on you.

ok,here is the funniest argument of all so far.i was saving it for the right moment. you worked in nordic countries but I AM from a nordic country ,I LIVED THERE FOR THE BIGGEST PART OF MY LIFE, ..does the name SVENSON rings a bell to you? and i still live in europe, you don't. i used goodyear for the last 10 years in europe, you didn't.. so i am the NOW expert of todays goodyear tyres.not you.

as for goodyear company, today is at its best. used to be worst the old days.its the opposite of what you know, because you don't know. all test, summer and winter tyres brings goodyear to the first places. i would have posted more internet sources to back my argument but to you its all nonsense because you know everything, who are they to question your 20+ experience. so to speak with your own words, I used summer and winter tyres and the best for ME are michelin and goodyear. there you go!

p.s the first 3 larger tyre companies are michelin, bridgestone and goodyear. continental struggles to be 4, hancook soon will takes its place.

i am not a fan of any tyre company, i just give you formal information from respected sites and you argue with ..i lived there, i know everything ..to me thats poor conversation . by this time you can enjoy your Bavarian Bratwurst.

 

[svenson]

I’m not a fan of generalizing. I think every model has to be evaluated individually because every manufacturer has some models that are better or worse.

said that in my first comment ,first post on this topic. every line - model and size has different evaluation from buyers-average drivers and test experts. for example goodyear assymetric are one of the 2 best tyres in the world today, fighting the best MichelPS (pilot sport). efficient grip their smaller size is at the top 3-4,Goodyear Ultra Grip 9+ is between the 2 best tyres , Adac, Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club  General German Automobile Club, the most respectable one places this tyre among the 2 of the tops.

goodyear has made quick progress over the years.

 

[edyvw]

i already said the, what is better, is debatable. i think you are pretty messed up with your head.just because you are from europe doesn't mean you are the wizard of everything and what you say is the golden rule. really? is this your best argument to what i wrote? then my friend you really lack of knowledge. i am disappointed on you.

ok,here is the funniest argument of all so far.i was saving it for the right moment. you worked in nordic countries but I AM from a nordic country ,I LIVED THERE FOR THE BIGGEST PART OF MY LIFE, ..does the name SVENSON rings a bell to you? and i still live in europe, you don't. i used goodyear for the last 10 years in europe, you didn't.. so i am the NOW expert of todays goodyear tyres.not you.

as for goodyear company, today is at its best. used to be worst the old days.its the opposite of what you know, because you don't know. all test, summer and winter tyres brings goodyear to the first places. i would have posted more internet sources to back my argument but to you its all nonsense because you know everything, who are they to question your 20+ experience. so to speak with your own words, I used summer and winter tyres and the best for ME are michelin and goodyear. there you go!

p.s the first 3 larger tyre companies are michelin, bridgestone and goodyear. continental struggles to be 4, hancook soon will takes its place.

i am not a fan of any tyre company, i just give you formal information from respected sites and you argue with ..i lived there, i know everything ..to me thats poor conversation . by this time you can enjoy your Bavarian Bratwurst.

OK, I see where you are going.
I was using your own argument, "I am from Europe," but obviously, you actually forget what you wrote.
I will leave this at" first rain tire."

 

[edyvw]

said that in my first comment ,first post on this topic. every line - model and size has different evaluation from buyers-average drivers and test experts. for example goodyear assymetric are one of the 2 best tyres in the world today, fighting the best MichelPS (pilot sport). efficient grip their smaller size is at the top 3-4,Goodyear Ultra Grip 9+ is between the 2 best tyres , Adac, Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club  General German Automobile Club, the most respectable one places this tyre among the 2 of the tops.

goodyear has made quick progress over the years.

How exactly are they fighting? Do they have a duel? Bcs. it would be interesting to see that.
I have yet to hear anyone saying: yes, I will go with Good Year Asymmetric over PS4S or PSS.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

I’m not a fan of generalizing. I think every model has to be evaluated individually because every manufacturer has some models that are better or worse.

I worked in the tire industry for a long time. I have bought many, many sets of tires in my life (probably 2 dozen+) and I have purchased at least one set of tires from pretty much every major brand. The best tire is constantly changing, tires are one thing where new technology almost always trumps old. Blanket statements are stupid.

 

[CanAmAndMore]

After decades of owning a fleet of semi trucks, company pickups, and my own personal vehicles, I have bought more tires than 100 average people will in their lifetime.
Most tire companies make good, and bad tires.
What is sad is how badly the average Joe maintains his tires.
Keep them properly inflated, park in a garage if possible, buy the appropriate tire for you and your vehicle, and go enjoy.
Bashing a brand, or praising a brand, is not really productive unless you have bought 100 sets, ran them millions of miles, and can then say somewhat from experience.
Someone recently asked me why I had the Goodyears on a company pickup.
I replied why not?
They have treated me fine, and offer good traction when the pickup has to go to the bush.
Just bashing a tire because of a name, just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[edyvw]

After decades of owning a fleet of semi trucks, company pickups, and my own personal vehicles, I have bought more tires than 100 average people will in their lifetime.
Most tire companies make good, and bad tires.
What is sad is how badly the average Joe maintains his tires.
Keep them properly inflated, park in a garage if possible, buy the appropriate tire for you and your vehicle, and go enjoy.
Bashing a brand, or praising a brand, is not really productive unless you have bought 100 sets, ran them millions of miles, and can then say somewhat from experience.
Someone recently asked me why I had the Goodyears on a company pickup.
I replied why not?
They have treated me fine, and offer good traction when the pickup has to go to the bush.
Just bashing a tire because of a name, just doesn't make sense to me.

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GY is OK.
I had their winter line up (no issues) and performance line up (very inconsistent).
The performance line up can be good, or I had issues with balancing, noise after 10-15k etc. That is why I stopped buying them. Now, whether it is the performance line up that is an issue, it is debatable, but after 4 attempts, I just gave up.
Actually, their prices are not bad at all, and often one cn stumble on good deal, but it is irritating to deal with those issues.

 

[Trav]

When looking for tires in Europe I always check the ADAC test out, non biased, genuine and well respected test. Goodyear tires in Germany are probably made by either Fulda or Dunlop whose brand is now owned by Goodyear. USA Goodyears are known to be crap, Conti are much better tires.

https://www.wheel-size.com/articles/adac-all-season-tire-test-2020/

https://jalopnik.com/goodyear-finally-recalled-the-worst-tire-made-in-histor-1849028093

 

[CanAmAndMore]

I'm not saying good years, or continentals, or any other brand, is all good, or all bad.
But brand is great.
Some here praise contintental too much in my opinion.
While my experience with them is limited, so I won't call them terrible tires, my personal experience with them was terrible.
That is my point, we all have different experiences.
Me personally, I'll never buy another continental brand tire.