Consumer Reports top 10 cars for making it to 200k

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
But duty cycle does, look at trucks usage with 200,000 miles vs any cars usage at 200,000 miles. I generally more impressed when I go camping and see gasser truck that have towed there whole life with and are still humming along with 0ver 200,000 miles on them.


My last Corolla went 295K before a valve in the engine went. My current Corolla has 230K and is going strong...both vehicles spent/spend a lot of time towing my motorcycle trailer all over the Midwest, so 200K on a pickup, even one that does a lot of towing isn't all that impressive...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
True, but that doesn't make the engines and transmissions last any longer, and that's usually what determines how long a vehicle lasts...

I've got rid of a few high mileage vehicles, and rust was the problem. The engines and transmissions were fine.


I'm afraid that's how my wife's minivan is gonna go...the engine and tranny are perfect, but it's starting to rust pretty badly...

 

[supton]

Spray some oil on, that should slow the rust. I sometimes spray the topside of my car now for that reason.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
But duty cycle does, look at trucks usage with 200,000 miles vs any cars usage at 200,000 miles. I generally more impressed when I go camping and see gasser truck that have towed there whole life with and are still humming along with 0ver 200,000 miles on them.


My last Corolla went 295K before a valve in the engine went. My current Corolla has 230K and is going strong...both vehicles spent/spend a lot of time towing my motorcycle trailer all over the Midwest, so 200K on a pickup, even one that does a lot of towing isn't all that impressive...

So how much weight is that how many miles towing. I am talking about trucks where the complete 200,000 is used for towing or a business. Big woop you moved 1 bike and trailer. Maybe 1200 lbs. Come talk to me when the tow vehicle routinely moves more than it's own weight. Lets see what happens when you hook the same Corolla up to something that weighs 3000 more lbs than it.

 

[rjundi]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
But duty cycle does, look at trucks usage with 200,000 miles vs any cars usage at 200,000 miles. I generally more impressed when I go camping and see gasser truck that have towed there whole life with and are still humming along with 0ver 200,000 miles on them.


My last Corolla went 295K before a valve in the engine went. My current Corolla has 230K and is going strong...both vehicles spent/spend a lot of time towing my motorcycle trailer all over the Midwest, so 200K on a pickup, even one that does a lot of towing isn't all that impressive...

So how much weight is that how many miles towing. I am talking about trucks where the complete 200,000 is used for towing or a business. Big woop you moved 1 bike and trailer. Maybe 1200 lbs. Come talk to me when the tow vehicle routinely moves more than it's own weight. Lets see what happens when you hook the same Corolla up to something that weighs 3000 more lbs than it.


Not even comparable. A tow vehicle(truck) is design to pull that at its core with very little regard in efficiency. A car is designed to carry a bit more then its own weight at a likely 2.5-4 factor in efficiency. A FWD towing anything is a serious stress and impressive if the vehicle(mainly auto transmission) make it past 150k.

Camping tow vehicles don't see the short hops nor around town driving like a car does. They tend to spend majority of life with engine running in optimal power range and running condition despite a load they are (over)designed for.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
But duty cycle does, look at trucks usage with 200,000 miles vs any cars usage at 200,000 miles. I generally more impressed when I go camping and see gasser truck that have towed there whole life with and are still humming along with 0ver 200,000 miles on them.


My last Corolla went 295K before a valve in the engine went. My current Corolla has 230K and is going strong...both vehicles spent/spend a lot of time towing my motorcycle trailer all over the Midwest, so 200K on a pickup, even one that does a lot of towing isn't all that impressive...

So how much weight is that how many miles towing. I am talking about trucks where the complete 200,000 is used for towing or a business. Big woop you moved 1 bike and trailer. Maybe 1200 lbs. Come talk to me when the tow vehicle routinely moves more than it's own weight. Lets see what happens when you hook the same Corolla up to something that weighs 3000 more lbs than it.


Not even comparable. A tow vehicle(truck) is design to pull that at its core with very little regard in efficiency. A car is designed to carry a bit more then its own weight at a likely 2.5-4 factor in efficiency. A FWD towing anything is a serious stress and impressive if the vehicle(mainly auto transmission) make it past 150k.

Camping tow vehicles don't see the short hops nor around town driving like a car does. They tend to spend majority of life with engine running in optimal power range and running condition despite a load they are (over)designed for.

You proved my point. His car is the exception to the rule. How many Corollas do you see towing stuff or that have a 10,000lb service body on them? General automobiles are just not put together as well as any truck from any manufacture. I am not just talking Ford, GM, or Mopar.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
But duty cycle does, look at trucks usage with 200,000 miles vs any cars usage at 200,000 miles. I generally more impressed when I go camping and see gasser truck that have towed there whole life with and are still humming along with 0ver 200,000 miles on them.


My last Corolla went 295K before a valve in the engine went. My current Corolla has 230K and is going strong...both vehicles spent/spend a lot of time towing my motorcycle trailer all over the Midwest, so 200K on a pickup, even one that does a lot of towing isn't all that impressive...

So how much weight is that how many miles towing. I am talking about trucks where the complete 200,000 is used for towing or a business. Big woop you moved 1 bike and trailer. Maybe 1200 lbs. Come talk to me when the tow vehicle routinely moves more than it's own weight. Lets see what happens when you hook the same Corolla up to something that weighs 3000 more lbs than it.


What's impressive about a vehicle lasting 200K doing what it was made to do? Corollas aren't made for towing anything, so one lasting as long as mine have, even only towing 1000 lbs is pretty darn impressive...

 

[ls1mike]

Sure for one car that is great, but it is not the norm. A good portion of them would not make it that long. I think you are missing my point.

 

[Leo99]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Sure for one car that is great, but it is not the norm. A good portion of them would not make it that long. I think you are missing my point.


Comparing my Corolla to my wife's Rav4. The engines are very similar. I changed out the struts in the Corolla but the Rav is fine. I go through tires a lot quicker in the Corolla while the Rav's tires last and last. Even though the Rav is a baby truck, it still appears to be more heavy duty and rugged than the car. I'd imagine a full size truck even more so.

I don't recall ever seeing a Corolla towing anything.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
You proved my point. His car is the exception to the rule. How many Corollas do you see towing stuff or that have a 10,000lb service body on them? General automobiles are just not put together as well as any truck from any manufacture. I am not just talking Ford, GM, or Mopar.


What is your point though? That a Corolla isn't a good vehicle because you can't mount a crane to it?

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Sure for one car that is great, but it is not the norm. A good portion of them would not make it that long. I think you are missing my point.


I believe my last and my current Corolla are proving your point to be wrong...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Sure for one car that is great, but it is not the norm. A good portion of them would not make it that long. I think you are missing my point.


Comparing my Corolla to my wife's Rav4. The engines are very similar. I changed out the struts in the Corolla but the Rav is fine. I go through tires a lot quicker in the Corolla while the Rav's tires last and last. Even though the Rav is a baby truck, it still appears to be more heavy duty and rugged than the car. I'd imagine a full size truck even more so.

I don't recall ever seeing a Corolla towing anything.


What do how long the tires last have to do with how durable the vehicle is? That is solely a function of the tires, it has nothing to do with how well the vehicle's built...

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: grampi
What do how long the tires last have to do with how durable the vehicle is? That is solely a function of the tires, it has nothing to do with how well the vehicle's built...


Suspension issues could exaggerate tire wear.

Not that Corollas are prone to that. Maybe his had a problem nobody was able to spot.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Sure for one car that is great, but it is not the norm. A good portion of them would not make it that long. I think you are missing my point.


I believe my last and my current Corolla are proving your point to be wrong...

2 cars? Proving that trucks are not built more solid?
2 cars owned and used by a BITOG frequenter?
Too small of a sample.
However there are complete websites with data for trucks that tow.
So again two cars? Could be an anomaly. Might not be.

 

[Leo99]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: grampi
What do how long the tires last have to do with how durable the vehicle is? That is solely a function of the tires, it has nothing to do with how well the vehicle's built...


Suspension issues could exaggerate tire wear.

Not that Corollas are prone to that. Maybe his had a problem nobody was able to spot.


The folks at the tire shop said the car has a lot of miles (190k) and the suspension is worn out and I can't expect the tires to wear properly and last the warranty period.

 

[meep]

My mother has a civic---either an 04 or 06--- should be about 330k on it now. It's only needed an alternator until we hit around 300k. the contacts in the starter went, as did the A/C pump. Oil consumption also started (seals and gaskets) around 300 and now has gotten pretty bad. Cooling system is beginning to give her some trouble too. Vehicle was pretty solid to 300k. If she put another $1000 into it, it'd be at 100%, but with increasing likelihood of more repairs soon. She's debating the utility of that at this point. (we've all told her to get something newer, but she likes the game of making things last a long time, also something I understand and respect).

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Sure for one car that is great, but it is not the norm. A good portion of them would not make it that long. I think you are missing my point.


I believe my last and my current Corolla are proving your point to be wrong...

2 cars? Proving that trucks are not built more solid?
2 cars owned and used by a BITOG frequenter?
Too small of a sample.
However there are complete websites with data for trucks that tow.
So again two cars? Could be an anomaly. Might not be.



My point wasn't that trucks aren't built more solidly than cars...obviously they are...my point was that just because they're built more solidly doesn't necessarily mean they're going to last for more miles...

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: Leo99
The folks at the tire shop said the car has a lot of miles (190k) and the suspension is worn out and I can't expect the tires to wear properly and last the warranty period.


Yeah, if all the rubber parts are worn out the car might line up right on an alignment rack, but when you get it out on the road extra deflection in the suspension might screw up the toe enough to cause extra tire wear.

Suspension bushings are generally pretty cheap to buy, but can be a pain to install.

 

[rjundi]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike

You proved my point. His car is the exception to the rule. How many Corollas do you see towing stuff or that have a 10,000lb service body on them? General automobiles are just not put together as well as any truck from any manufacture. I am not just talking Ford, GM, or Mopar.


Agree trucks are well put together to pull a load and carry something while costing more.

And car better put together for efficiency, ride, and handling while cost less.

Generalized statements but isn't that why you purchase a car vs truck?

 

[ls1mike]

I do. But lots of people buy trucks as a car substitute. Mine sits unless I am towing or like today I picked up my mower from the repair dude.