Consumer Reports top 10 cars for making it to 200k

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You know...this site, more appropriately certain members, can be so hypocritical at times. We are all on here, the most unique site for engine oils, to use scientific facts to determine what oils work best in certain applications. Its unfortunate we can't broaden our perspective to vehicles and other ideas as well. The original poster didn't state his personal opinion based upon 1 Toyota or 1 Honda vehicle he owned...he cited a research project involving 1.1 million vehicles....let me type that again...1.1 MILLION VEHICLES!

Why is it so easy for some people to so quickly dismiss the results of the study just because it isn't the make of the vehicle parked in their driveway? While I don't personally own any of the makes or manufacturers on the list, I believe the premise that ON AVERAGE, you have a HIGHER PROBABILITY of reaching 200,000 miles with a Toyota or Honda, IS VALID. Immediately you get the individuals that state: "i have a Suburban with 210K...so this just can't be true" or "how did that vehicle make it with this or that problem" or "I had a Toyota that [censored] out at 80K miles".

Furthermore, this wasn't a survey about the 10 most exciting cars to drive, or a survey involving the 10 best handling cars. Brand loyalty totally skews many peoples' thinking. As a group of "more educated" individuals (my perception) on a scientific site, I would hope this would be a place we could get by that. I guess not.

Rant Over.
 
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Originally Posted By: ryansride2017
You know...this site, more appropriately certain members, can be so hypocritical at times. We are all on here, the most unique site for engine oils, to use scientific facts to determine what oils work best in certain applications. Its unfortunate we can't broaden our perspective to vehicles and other ideas as well. The original poster didn't state his personal opinion based upon 1 Toyota or 1 Honda vehicle he owned...he cited a research project involving 1.1 million vehicles....let me type that again...1.1 MILLION VEHICLES!



Why is it so easy for some people to so quickly dismiss the results of the study just because it isn't the make of the vehicle parked in their driveway? While I don't personally own any of the makes or manufacturers on the list, I believe the premise that ON AVERAGE, you have a HIGHER PROBABILITY of reaching 200,000 miles with a Toyota or Honda, IS VALID. Immediately you get the individuals that state: "i have a Suburban with 210K...so this just can't be true" or "how did that vehicle make it with this or that problem" or "I had a Toyota that [censored] out at 80K miles".

Furthermore, this wasn't a survey about the 10 most exciting cars to drive, or a survey involving the 10 best handling cars. Brand loyalty totally skews many peoples' thinking. As a group of "more educated" individuals (my perception) on a scientific site, I would hope this would be a place we could get by that. I guess not.

Rant Over.

Everything you say is pretty true. The only thing is, I would like to know how much it cost to make it to 200,000 miles. To include normal maintenance stuff like Timing belts, brakes and other items.
It would be nice if they told you what it takes to get there and what kind of life the cars live.
 
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Originally Posted By: wkcars
I guess the only model on the list I would question is the prius, being a hybrid, there's no mention if the survey included any battery replacement.


The Prius in taxi service is making 200K in 18 to 24 months with a minimum of maintenance and no battery problems yet. Taxi service means hard driving, lots of door slamming and the cheapest available maintenance possible. One secret is a planetary transmission (not a CVT) that never shifts gears and has no reverse gear and is sealed for life.


I thought Prii ran 400k routinely in Taxi service before any battery, Trans replacement
 
Originally Posted By: ryansride2017
You know...this site, more appropriately certain members, can be so hypocritical at times. We are all on here, the most unique site for engine oils, to use scientific facts to determine what oils work best in certain applications. Its unfortunate we can't broaden our perspective to vehicles and other ideas as well. The original poster didn't state his personal opinion based upon 1 Toyota or 1 Honda vehicle he owned...he cited a research project involving 1.1 million vehicles....let me type that again...1.1 MILLION VEHICLES!

Why is it so easy for some people to so quickly dismiss the results of the study just because it isn't the make of the vehicle parked in their driveway? While I don't personally own any of the makes or manufacturers on the list, I believe the premise that ON AVERAGE, you have a HIGHER PROBABILITY of reaching 200,000 miles with a Toyota or Honda, IS VALID. Immediately you get the individuals that state: "i have a Suburban with 210K...so this just can't be true" or "how did that vehicle make it with this or that problem" or "I had a Toyota that [censored] out at 80K miles".

Furthermore, this wasn't a survey about the 10 most exciting cars to drive, or a survey involving the 10 best handling cars. Brand loyalty totally skews many peoples' thinking. As a group of "more educated" individuals (my perception) on a scientific site, I would hope this would be a place we could get by that. I guess not.

Rant Over.


Well, since we're ranting and want fact and logic, how about instead of ranting about BITOG rightfully questioning these scientific findings (the term scientific is used loosely here), you question CR instead?
All they say is
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"Of the 1.1 million vehicles represented in our annual subscriber survey, these are the ten cars, SUVs, and minivans respondents most often reported as having more than 200,000 miles."

So how about giving the readers more data with the above, otherwise meaningless statement? Like breaking down by percentage each make out of that 1.1 million surveys.
 
What it means is that a typical CR subscriber will keep his own vehicle past 200K mile. Other types of vehicles might reach 200K, but the type of owner who takes it from 100K to over 200K is more like to be a BITOG member than a CR member.

RE: "that OTHER reference"; you are right the word "OTHER" was incorrectly used in my reply.

RE: Odyssey
A *lot* of 2nd generation Odysseys have excess of 200K with few transmissions already replaced!
 
I've always thought Honda and Toyota offered the best value amongst mass produced makes. This report reaffirms my belief in a convincing fashion.
 
Originally Posted By: Joe1
I've always thought Honda and Toyota offered the best value amongst mass produced makes. This report reaffirms my belief in a convincing fashion.


I am convinced after owning 6 Toyotas and 2 Hondas. They all go to 200k easily.
 
CR is nothing more than a opinion survey, they have no statistical data to back up any of their claims.

Since their surveys are not "random" their sample set is skewed and opinions from these samples is garbage and meaningless, you shouldn't believe any of the conclusions they infer from their survey.

In the field I used to work in we had a CR report on lamps, they rated the three major suppliers of 60 and 100 watt incandescent from best to worst. Unfortunately they had no clue and did not know how to test anything and also did not know that contract manufacturing was rampant, my company made all 60W lamps for GE for three years, and they rated the GE lmaps better than ours even though they were made on the same equipment, same design, same components etc, One had our etch on it and the other GE's? We had the article hung up in our photometry/lifetest area and would show customers when they toured the plant and explained the situation and what a joke CR was, maybe they knew how to test toilet paper and toasters but not lamps!

CR is for people who cant think for themselves, they are pretty much irrelevant today.
 
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Originally Posted By: wkcars
I guess the only model on the list I would question is the prius, being a hybrid, there's no mention if the survey included any battery replacement.

The article states the Prius is the MOST often reported with over 200k miles without maintenance issues.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Originally Posted By: wkcars
I guess the only model on the list I would question is the prius, being a hybrid, there's no mention if the survey included any battery replacement.


The Prius in taxi service is making 200K in 18 to 24 months with a minimum of maintenance and no battery problems yet. Taxi service means hard driving, lots of door slamming and the cheapest available maintenance possible. One secret is a planetary transmission (not a CVT) that never shifts gears and has no reverse gear and is sealed for life.


I thought Prii ran 400k routinely in Taxi service before any battery, Trans replacement


I was referring to what it took to get to 200K. I said nothing about how long they ran before battery or transmission replacement.

Battery's have varied in length of life but it's been anywhere from 200K to 600K and it may depend on how the Prius is driven and how much the a/c is run while parked with the engine off.

I can't answer about the transmission because several have gone over 600K and none have been replaced or needed service of any kind.

With the Prius the complication has been reduced in the mechanical parts and moved to the computers. Not shifting gears and no reverse gear is a big step in that direction.
 
Originally Posted By: VNTS
CR is for people who cant think for themselves, they are pretty much irrelevant today.


Agreed. People who read consumer reports are more likely to have followed their recommendations on purchasing their vehicles, so the data is skewed to start this survey.
The article makes it sound as if a vehicle making it to 200,000+ miles is some significant achievement; with most vehicles it's just normal if they're reasonably maintained.
 
Will be rolling 200,000 in the 2009 Fusion V6 in a few months. No major mechanical repairs so far other then I replaced the ABS module to fix a braking issue.

I replaced and bodyworked the entire left side of the car when it was only 2 years old and still looks like new because some girl ran a stop sign.
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Define maintenance issue.


That's the key; some cars get dinged for minor issues or even ergonomic problems. Plus, I'd bet the majority of CR readers aren't gearheads, so I question their ability to determine what an issue even is.
 
Originally Posted By: VNTS
CR is nothing more than a opinion survey, they have no statistical data to back up any of their claims.

Since their surveys are not "random" their sample set is skewed and opinions from these samples is garbage and meaningless, you shouldn't believe any of the conclusions they infer from their survey.

In the field I used to work in we had a CR report on lamps, they rated the three major suppliers of 60 and 100 watt incandescent from best to worst. Unfortunately they had no clue and did not know how to test anything and also did not know that contract manufacturing was rampant, my company made all 60W lamps for GE for three years, and they rated the GE lmaps better than ours even though they were made on the same equipment, same design, same components etc, One had our etch on it and the other GE's? We had the article hung up in our photometry/lifetest area and would show customers when they toured the plant and explained the situation and what a joke CR was, maybe they knew how to test toilet paper and toasters but not lamps!

CR is for people who cant think for themselves, they are pretty much irrelevant today.


Did you or anybody at your company substantiate that the bulbs tested by CR were indeed made by your company? You stated that the contract run was for three years. Could it be possible that the bulbs tested were older stock and manufactured by the contractor GE had prior to your company? Was your company the exclusive manufacturer for GE during this period?
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: VNTS
CR is for people who cant think for themselves, they are pretty much irrelevant today.


Agreed. People who read consumer reports are more likely to have followed their recommendations on purchasing their vehicles, so the data is skewed to start this survey.
The article makes it sound as if a vehicle making it to 200,000+ miles is some significant achievement; with most vehicles it's just normal if they're reasonably maintained.


Yeah, you can just get on internet forums and gather tons of factual information from people that do zero testing.
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Yes we did, 1st we had been making all their product for them for the prior 3 years and there are special markings on the etch on the bulb for traceability, so no question they were produced in our plant. Also CR did not use any ANSI and IES stds when they test, and god knows their sampling plan etc

Bottom line I point this out to show how poorly they conduct their testing and draw their conclusions. They have no credibility with anyone with a quality/statistical or engineering back ground since the way they do things is amateurish at best.

Originally Posted By: Joe1
Originally Posted By: VNTS
CR is nothing more than a opinion survey, they have no statistical data to back up any of their claims.

Since their surveys are not "random" their sample set is skewed and opinions from these samples is garbage and meaningless, you shouldn't believe any of the conclusions they infer from their survey.

In the field I used to work in we had a CR report on lamps, they rated the three major suppliers of 60 and 100 watt incandescent from best to worst. Unfortunately they had no clue and did not know how to test anything and also did not know that contract manufacturing was rampant, my company made all 60W lamps for GE for three years, and they rated the GE lmaps better than ours even though they were made on the same equipment, same design, same components etc, One had our etch on it and the other GE's? We had the article hung up in our photometry/lifetest area and would show customers when they toured the plant and explained the situation and what a joke CR was, maybe they knew how to test toilet paper and toasters but not lamps!

CR is for people who cant think for themselves, they are pretty much irrelevant today.


Did you or anybody at your company substantiate that the bulbs tested by CR were indeed made by your company? You stated that the contract run was for three years. Could it be possible that the bulbs tested were older stock and manufactured by the contractor GE had prior to your company? Was your company the exclusive manufacturer for GE during this period?
 
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