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What's "MMC," Critic?
Mid-Model Cycle Change, it's planned for the 2009 RL.
What's "MMC," Critic?
Mid-Model Cycle Change, it's planned for the 2009 RL.
Consumer Reports' 2008 Car Brand Perception Survey
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Originally Posted By: rriddle3
I've just never considered Consumer Reports people to be car people. To my thinking, 'car people' don't judge a car by catagories, but rather as a package.
And thank [censored] for that!
Car people are way too subjective to be trustworthy...the problem with car people is that they judge a car with their hearts, ConsumerReports judge much more objectively; with their brains. ;-)
Want proof? If it were not for the existence of car people, NOBODY would by VW, Audi, Mercedes and other massively over priced and UNDEPENDABLE German cars, not even to mention Italian, English, and some Swedish models too!
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
I've just never considered Consumer Reports people to be car people. To my thinking, 'car people' don't judge a car by catagories, but rather as a package.
And thank [censored] for that!
Car people are way too subjective to be trustworthy...the problem with car people is that they judge a car with their hearts, ConsumerReports judge much more objectively; with their brains. ;-)
Want proof? If it were not for the existence of car people, NOBODY would by VW, Audi, Mercedes and other massively over priced and UNDEPENDABLE German cars, not even to mention Italian, English, and some Swedish models too!
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
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Originally Posted By: lovcom
Originally Posted By: rriddle3
I've just never considered Consumer Reports people to be car people. To my thinking, 'car people' don't judge a car by catagories, but rather as a package.
And thank [censored] for that!
Car people are way too subjective to be trustworthy...the problem with car people is that they judge a car with their hearts, ConsumerReports judge much more objectively; with their brains. ;-)
Want proof? If it were not for the existence of car people, NOBODY would by VW, Audi, Mercedes and other massively over priced and UNDEPENDABLE German cars, not even to mention Italian, English, and some Swedish models too!
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
Are you an accountant?
Originally Posted By: rriddle3
I've just never considered Consumer Reports people to be car people. To my thinking, 'car people' don't judge a car by catagories, but rather as a package.
And thank [censored] for that!
Car people are way too subjective to be trustworthy...the problem with car people is that they judge a car with their hearts, ConsumerReports judge much more objectively; with their brains. ;-)
Want proof? If it were not for the existence of car people, NOBODY would by VW, Audi, Mercedes and other massively over priced and UNDEPENDABLE German cars, not even to mention Italian, English, and some Swedish models too!
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
Are you an accountant?
If he is, he ought to take into account (no pun intended) the crash test performance of some of those "massively overpiced and UNDEPENDABLE German cars, not even to mention Italian, English, and some Swedish models too!" and how much it saves on the following:
1)Insurance premiums
2)Hospital/doctor bills should you get in an accident
1)Insurance premiums
2)Hospital/doctor bills should you get in an accident
Originally Posted By: lovcom
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
Let's just suppose that a long lost relative leaves me money in a will with the stipulation that I can either receive $85,000 to buy a Porsche 911, or $18,500 for a Cavalier/Cobalt, or whatever Chevrolet is selling now.
Hmmm...I'll take the 911, thank you very much. Now give me the keys.
If a driver can't tell the difference from behind the wheel of a 911 versus a Cavalier, then such a driver would probably be happier in a Camry. Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people. But that is why Camry is such a hit. It is automotive Nyquil.
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
Let's just suppose that a long lost relative leaves me money in a will with the stipulation that I can either receive $85,000 to buy a Porsche 911, or $18,500 for a Cavalier/Cobalt, or whatever Chevrolet is selling now.
Hmmm...I'll take the 911, thank you very much. Now give me the keys.
If a driver can't tell the difference from behind the wheel of a 911 versus a Cavalier, then such a driver would probably be happier in a Camry. Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people. But that is why Camry is such a hit. It is automotive Nyquil.
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people.
It does when they take their dislike of driving out on other drivers on the road.
Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people.
It does when they take their dislike of driving out on other drivers on the road.
Consumer reports people are definitely not car people, They rate cars based on standards provided by AARP! In their eyes, the Accord and Camry could hardly ever do wrong, and if they did, they would find a reason to pump up the "positives" to mask the growing negatives.
The Acura RL (and I've owned three Acuras) is a $48,000 Honda Accord. They should have named it the "Super Accord," with a price to match. Handling, ride, and interior appointments better than an Accord? Yep! But it's still an overpriced Accord. They definitely lost the distinctive looks that set them apart at one time from Honda models.
The Acura RL (and I've owned three Acuras) is a $48,000 Honda Accord. They should have named it the "Super Accord," with a price to match. Handling, ride, and interior appointments better than an Accord? Yep! But it's still an overpriced Accord. They definitely lost the distinctive looks that set them apart at one time from Honda models.
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Consumer reports people are definitely not car people, They rate cars based on standards provided by AARP! In their eyes, the Accord and Camry could hardly ever do wrong, and if they did, they would find a reason to pump up the "positives" to mask the growing negatives.
The Acura RL (and I've owned three Acuras) is a $48,000 Honda Accord. They should have named it the "Super Accord," with a price to match. Handling, ride, and interior appointments better than an Accord? Yep! But it's still an overpriced Accord. They definitely lost the distinctive looks that set them apart at one time from Honda models.
It may sticker for 48,000, but I moderate the current generation RL forum over on AcuraZine and RLs are sell for around 40k. If you are in the market for a cruiser, then it's a steal.
Consumer reports people are definitely not car people, They rate cars based on standards provided by AARP! In their eyes, the Accord and Camry could hardly ever do wrong, and if they did, they would find a reason to pump up the "positives" to mask the growing negatives.
The Acura RL (and I've owned three Acuras) is a $48,000 Honda Accord. They should have named it the "Super Accord," with a price to match. Handling, ride, and interior appointments better than an Accord? Yep! But it's still an overpriced Accord. They definitely lost the distinctive looks that set them apart at one time from Honda models.
It may sticker for 48,000, but I moderate the current generation RL forum over on AcuraZine and RLs are sell for around 40k. If you are in the market for a cruiser, then it's a steal.
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Consumer reports people are definitely not car people, They rate cars based on standards provided by AARP!
That must account for all the blue hairs I see driving Camrys and Avalons..
Consumer reports people are definitely not car people, They rate cars based on standards provided by AARP!
That must account for all the blue hairs I see driving Camrys and Avalons..
The TL is a super Accord. The RL (I am fairly certain) is a different platform. Anyway, when I sold Infiniti's, we had an RL, BMW530 (I think, I don't remember what came after the 5) and an M35 that we drove back to back to back- all with technology packages. The BMW and Infiniti were a blast to drive- the RL was a distant third. The voice recognition system was awful as well. This was when the new RL was just released (05 IIRC). I was surprised how poorly it drove, handled, accelerated compared to the M and 5.
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I think CR has evolved to being more car savy than they were in the beginning. And they try very hard to be objective and to come up with unbiased results. They don't always get it right, but they are far better than the car lover mags, who do let ads get in their way. (Critic)I think the Honda transmission problem was not nearly as bad as the Chrysler one and wonder how you come up with your conclusion? I have a 2001 Odyssey and the transmission did go out at 90K, but Honda covered it and it has been fine since. My BIL had a Caravan and his transmission went out three times. The OdyClub forum I think exaggerates the problem, but I wonder if there are any actual numbers out there. When posters on the forum were freaking out over the transmission prob. in the beginning, CR surveys were still showing good results, with less than 2% of respondents having a problem. Since then it has gotten worse and shows up in their reliability reports, and I think the 5 spd is better? From my understanding Chrysler had such a severe problem that they found some nonunion shop to rebuilt their transmission in an almost production line and were doing it very cheaply...
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people.
It does when they take their dislike of driving out on other drivers on the road.
Well, yeah, that's true. I won't dispute that.
What irritates me as much as the poor drivers is the unsafe vehicles on the roads. I just wish this state had some kind of vehicular inspection program. There is none. You'd be amazed at the clunkers rolling down the road. Now, I have nothing against older cars that are well maintained.
But I dodge cars everyday that are safety hazards. Mufflers bouncing up and down (some even missing altogether!), bald tires, oil slicks in parking lots, no brake lights, cars with no brake pads left (that sound of caliper meeting rotor is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard).
I'm not a big "raise your taxes" kind of guy, but why can't the legislature pass some law that says a vehicle has to pass some basic auto inspection every year and pay $20 or so to be driven on the public roads? I'd prefer them raising money this way than just jacking up the sales tax every couple of years.
End of rant.
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people.
It does when they take their dislike of driving out on other drivers on the road.
Well, yeah, that's true. I won't dispute that.
What irritates me as much as the poor drivers is the unsafe vehicles on the roads. I just wish this state had some kind of vehicular inspection program. There is none. You'd be amazed at the clunkers rolling down the road. Now, I have nothing against older cars that are well maintained.
But I dodge cars everyday that are safety hazards. Mufflers bouncing up and down (some even missing altogether!), bald tires, oil slicks in parking lots, no brake lights, cars with no brake pads left (that sound of caliper meeting rotor is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard).
I'm not a big "raise your taxes" kind of guy, but why can't the legislature pass some law that says a vehicle has to pass some basic auto inspection every year and pay $20 or so to be driven on the public roads? I'd prefer them raising money this way than just jacking up the sales tax every couple of years.
End of rant.
One thing that CR did that stumped me was in 03 with the then new 4Runner. The V6 version had a voluntary recall to adjust the fuel control on just a couple of thousand vehicles. That got the V6 model downgraded to not recommended, a model to avoid. The V8 was a recommended model, highly rated. The only difference with the adjustment required that took 10 minutes of shop time to fix.
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
Originally Posted By: lovcom
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
Let's just suppose that a long lost relative leaves me money in a will with the stipulation that I can either receive $85,000 to buy a Porsche 911, or $18,500 for a Cavalier/Cobalt, or whatever Chevrolet is selling now.
Hmmm...I'll take the 911, thank you very much. Now give me the keys.
If a driver can't tell the difference from behind the wheel of a 911 versus a Cavalier, then such a driver would probably be happier in a Camry. Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people. But that is why Camry is such a hit. It is automotive Nyquil.
You got it wrong! ;-) You should have chosen a Lexus...great driving car, and reliable on top of that...best of both worlds.
Originally Posted By: lovcom
Only a "car person" will be impressed with an $85,000 German car that is LESS dependable then a $18,500 Chevy...see what I mean?
Whatever happened to the days when quality would increase with the price?
Let's just suppose that a long lost relative leaves me money in a will with the stipulation that I can either receive $85,000 to buy a Porsche 911, or $18,500 for a Cavalier/Cobalt, or whatever Chevrolet is selling now.
Hmmm...I'll take the 911, thank you very much. Now give me the keys.
If a driver can't tell the difference from behind the wheel of a 911 versus a Cavalier, then such a driver would probably be happier in a Camry. Most people, for various reasons, just don't enjoy driving. Doesn't make them bad people. But that is why Camry is such a hit. It is automotive Nyquil.
You got it wrong! ;-) You should have chosen a Lexus...great driving car, and reliable on top of that...best of both worlds.
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