Filter Guy,
Glad to see you actually found a case of owner abuse so you can attempt to qualify almost everything you say on here, obviously, in that case, you can blame that owner for his problem. You actually found a case that would have killed ANY filter. Most engines don’t have rags accidentally stuffed inside though, most of them just get driven around doing the normal internal combustion thing. These are the engines we are concerned with here (most of us anyway).
In the general sense…getting back to normal engines…
FG- So the only way a by-pass valve can fail is because it was defective. Wonder how you'll do explaining to some GM owners who have theirs in the block and the by-pass fails after 50 or 100,000 miles or so (or maybe never). If one of their valves takes that long to fail, why do you think the same construction in a filter which is changed every oil change can't last?
We don’t seem to see many (if any) filters fail that are used in applications that use a bypass in the filter mount, it is usually the particular Frams and cheap Champs that have bypasses in the filters themselves..and you think it is the same construction for that bypass in a cheap filter?
You can look at that Champ “clicker” valve and see it is doomed from the start. The Frams cause that valvetrain noise even when newly installed.
FG-
The filter is supposed to remove contaminant but it's time for you to understand that the filter media is designed to remove contaminant in the 1-40 micron range. LARGE pieces of contaminant will not be trapped by the media and it is these size particles that can wedge into the by-pass valve.
If you know something about contaminant sizes, 40 microns is the lower limit of visibility at 20/20 vision. So if you can see the particle, it is to large to be trapped by the media itself generally. If particles that size make it to the filter, the larger particles should drop into the bottom of the can ( provided the filter hangs straight down). However the turbulence of the oil flow can keep them in suspension and potentially lodge in the by-pass itself.
Bull! Who do you think you’re dealing with here? Maybe what you are trying to describe here is a problem for Champ designed bypasses, but filter mount bypasses don’t seem to have that problem.
You can brag all you want about your “credentials”, and your “experience”. I am not impressed at all. You couldn’t even describe how your own previous companies’ bypass valves work properly, but you COULD tell us how to request a “filter retrieval kit” and file a warranty claim. I don’t know about everyone else, but I would rather use a filter that looks well made, using common sense design, and having a good verified reputation, than to use a filter that shows repeated failures, and looks like a bad design to boot, and then just hope I don’t cause myself problems and then depend on someone who made that filter to warranty it.
It is your attitude that is your problem. Most of us are here to learn, or to help others learn. You seem to be here mainly to deflect attention away from crap filter design and performance.
I have benefited here at BITOG from Mr. Mechanic, and Mr. Consumer, and Mr. Enthusiast. You might want to start listening a little more to them yourself.
Glad to see you actually found a case of owner abuse so you can attempt to qualify almost everything you say on here, obviously, in that case, you can blame that owner for his problem. You actually found a case that would have killed ANY filter. Most engines don’t have rags accidentally stuffed inside though, most of them just get driven around doing the normal internal combustion thing. These are the engines we are concerned with here (most of us anyway).
In the general sense…getting back to normal engines…
FG- So the only way a by-pass valve can fail is because it was defective. Wonder how you'll do explaining to some GM owners who have theirs in the block and the by-pass fails after 50 or 100,000 miles or so (or maybe never). If one of their valves takes that long to fail, why do you think the same construction in a filter which is changed every oil change can't last?
We don’t seem to see many (if any) filters fail that are used in applications that use a bypass in the filter mount, it is usually the particular Frams and cheap Champs that have bypasses in the filters themselves..and you think it is the same construction for that bypass in a cheap filter?
You can look at that Champ “clicker” valve and see it is doomed from the start. The Frams cause that valvetrain noise even when newly installed.
FG-
The filter is supposed to remove contaminant but it's time for you to understand that the filter media is designed to remove contaminant in the 1-40 micron range. LARGE pieces of contaminant will not be trapped by the media and it is these size particles that can wedge into the by-pass valve.
If you know something about contaminant sizes, 40 microns is the lower limit of visibility at 20/20 vision. So if you can see the particle, it is to large to be trapped by the media itself generally. If particles that size make it to the filter, the larger particles should drop into the bottom of the can ( provided the filter hangs straight down). However the turbulence of the oil flow can keep them in suspension and potentially lodge in the by-pass itself.
Bull! Who do you think you’re dealing with here? Maybe what you are trying to describe here is a problem for Champ designed bypasses, but filter mount bypasses don’t seem to have that problem.
You can brag all you want about your “credentials”, and your “experience”. I am not impressed at all. You couldn’t even describe how your own previous companies’ bypass valves work properly, but you COULD tell us how to request a “filter retrieval kit” and file a warranty claim. I don’t know about everyone else, but I would rather use a filter that looks well made, using common sense design, and having a good verified reputation, than to use a filter that shows repeated failures, and looks like a bad design to boot, and then just hope I don’t cause myself problems and then depend on someone who made that filter to warranty it.
It is your attitude that is your problem. Most of us are here to learn, or to help others learn. You seem to be here mainly to deflect attention away from crap filter design and performance.
I have benefited here at BITOG from Mr. Mechanic, and Mr. Consumer, and Mr. Enthusiast. You might want to start listening a little more to them yourself.
