Cold Weather And EV's
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How crazy do you want to get? A Charger Hellcat wide body is in the same size class and arguably as dangerous for the average person to drive with a rated 388 miles range. Maybe a Shelby GT500? 288 miles highway range. Even the 911 Carerra 4S doesn’t do much that much better on the highway, 404 miles range. Hard to find high performance 4 doors… but I’d still rather have the Hellcat for an expensive fun car because I’m a child and like the noise Hellcats make, but the Plaid is a very close 2nd.
If you want to compare Camry’s a standard range RWD Model 3 is almost $9,000 more expensive when equally optioned with about 200 miles less highway range and similar performance. In this case give me the Tesla, I hate stopping for gas after working 12 hours and I’m not leaving any earlier than I have to before work. Gonna keep my truck though.
Do EV’s work for everyone right now? No. Will we get there eventually? Yes. Automobiles didn’t start out as a practical affordable thing for the average person with a gas station or 4 at every intersection, they were for the upper class. EV’s are just repeating history.
This is where it's all heading . 1 hp EV Equine Vehicle
"I would fly".........
"How often do you drive more than 200 miles in a day"...........
"Most EV owners have a secondary ICE vehicle"..........
"EV's aren't for everyone".........
These are not satisfactory answers for any potential EV buyer. They are excuses, nothing more, for them to dance around. Until EV's can match ICE vehicles in recharge times, distances, (which they cannot), and recharge locations, they are not a viable alternative to ICE. They are in fact a step backwards. Nothing more...... At over 4 times the cost in many models.
Until these problems are solved, (and it is very questionable to many people if they ever will be), these things will never be over 20% of the market. If they ever achieve that. (Remember, now they are barely 2%, even with all the government subsidies and ecological greenie fanfare).
And may very well end up to be a footnote in American history. Much like the VHS tape. Because something much better will come out. Besides, a car with a half ton battery, that is a very real potential fire hazard, turns off a lot of people.
Spending that kind of money on a vehicle, with such major limitations, and out of the budget range of many Americans. Especially those who drive long distances.... Or might want to in the available future, is not a viable transportation solution.
Why purchase a vehicle that can't, when you can easily have one that can for less? It really is as simple as that... Because that is the way most Americans will look at it.
Again, if you like the technology, acceleration, looks, status, and whatever else you think they offer, and you have the money, then by all means go for it and enjoy the purchase. But it won't change what it is, or what you can do with it.
"How often do you drive more than 200 miles in a day"...........
"Most EV owners have a secondary ICE vehicle"..........
"EV's aren't for everyone".........
These are not satisfactory answers for any potential EV buyer. They are excuses, nothing more, for them to dance around. Until EV's can match ICE vehicles in recharge times, distances, (which they cannot), and recharge locations, they are not a viable alternative to ICE. They are in fact a step backwards. Nothing more...... At over 4 times the cost in many models.
Until these problems are solved, (and it is very questionable to many people if they ever will be), these things will never be over 20% of the market. If they ever achieve that. (Remember, now they are barely 2%, even with all the government subsidies and ecological greenie fanfare).
And may very well end up to be a footnote in American history. Much like the VHS tape. Because something much better will come out. Besides, a car with a half ton battery, that is a very real potential fire hazard, turns off a lot of people.
Spending that kind of money on a vehicle, with such major limitations, and out of the budget range of many Americans. Especially those who drive long distances.... Or might want to in the available future, is not a viable transportation solution.
Why purchase a vehicle that can't, when you can easily have one that can for less? It really is as simple as that... Because that is the way most Americans will look at it.
Again, if you like the technology, acceleration, looks, status, and whatever else you think they offer, and you have the money, then by all means go for it and enjoy the purchase. But it won't change what it is, or what you can do with it.
I love mine. Never going back.
Disagree with what? In reality what does that even represent? How does it compare to all of the ICE vehicles sold?.....
Remember, there is no getting away from the fact EV's are less than 1% of the vehicles on the road. And they are less than 4% of the total vehicles produced in this country. Hardly anything to be crowing about. Especially when you consider how long they've already been out.
Regardless of how you look at this, they're not selling that well at all in comparison to ICE. And lack of EV product availability obviously doesn't equate to high demand.
"Less than 1% of the 250 million cars, SUVs and light-duty trucks on the road in the United States are electric".
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/AUTOS-ELECTRIC/USA/mopanyqxwva/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...erican Car Production is Electric - Bloomberg
I agree with everything you said, but this:
Maybe one day, but not now. Happy New Year!
You say this, but I remember around 2008 how direct injection wasnt really a thing...now find me a gas burner without it.
Almost 3/4 of CCS chargers were installed in the last 24 months.
EV adoption is spiking HARD! Sure, its
Its going to take over and doninate whether you or anyone else likes it or not, and I predict that by 2035, noone would want a new gas burner anyway. Only classics and hobbyist types.
Maybe. My bet is by 2035 the EV of 2023 will be as antiquated as a Model T is compared to an ICE vehicle rolling off the line now. I'd rather pump gas into an ICE while I wait. Considering how long I keep my vehicles the wait will be easy.
By then hopefully the heavy, expensive batteries will become lighter, more efficient, charge faster, be easier to extinguish if they catch fire, and not suffer as much from the cold weather. Regarding DI, Chrysler and Ford are still making engines w/o it. Both produce DI engines too. In fact the 2022 7.3L ICE Godzilla engine made by Ford for trucks does not have DI. I'm sure there's a good reason for that.You might be right! And ill save enough money driving EV to buy one cash, easy, by 2035.Maybe. My bet is by 2035 the EV of 2023 will be as antiquated as a Model T is compared to an ICE vehicle rolling off the line now. I'd rather pump gas into an ICE while I wait. Considering how long I keep my vehicles the wait will be easy.
I was addressing your misunderstanding that ,"Weren’t all of the cars utter crap in the 70’s as emissions controls took a decade plus to mature".
I and other family members had GM vehicles that lasted well over 200k miles, reliably. My parents had an Olds 98 w/a 455 that would get 19 mpg, very reliably. Granted that fuel injection did make engines last more miles, but also better machining practices and tighter tolerances along with better alloys helped too.
BTW, here in Indiana, I've never in 45 years of driving had any kind of law enforcement officer cite me for emissions regulations.Tha is, we don't have mandatory vehicle inspections.
It's pretty self evident - what do affluent buyers choose in the segments where they have a choice?
They clearly dont see them as a step backward.
I never argued they were a majority of total % sold, thats a meaningless statistic because BEV's arent offered across the vast majority of segments.
The question is what is growing ?
As the price comes down do you think more or less bev's will be sold?
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That is also assuming that you will get to immediately use a charger and not have to wait for someone else, which will inevitably happen when more EV's are on the road.
Affluent buyers have more than one car. And you can bet if they were limited to only one, it wouldn't be an EV.
Expensive, fast EV's are little more than Jay Leno toys.
Seems like a really safe place at night... I'm sure thugs will not figure out that this is a good place to rob people.
Most here have more than one car.
I agree they are expensive, I disagree any person can unilaterally say what will or wont work best for another.
There is a trade off to be had - what works better for short trips vs what works better for long ones.
10 years ago EV's couldn't do long trips, now they can go just about if not anywhere - at the expense of time, many find that tradeoff perfectly acceptable to avoid the time it takes to make 100 trips a year to a gas station.
Neither you nor I can tell a third party what works best for them.
It could happen if charging doenst keep up.
Waiting to fuel isnt uniquely a BEV phenomenon go check out costco before a 3 day holiday.
I agree with much of this post. No one needs a Tesla, Benz, Porsche, Bro-Dozer, you name it. In fact, most auto purchases are emotional purchases. We buy what we want.
I am not suggesting you buy an EV, I am only curious if one would work for your particular use case. The average American drives less than 30 miles per day, on average. The long distance thing is true for many but those are in the small minority.
By the way, you correctly point out the low overall percentage of EV vs ICE ownership. But you might be overlooking the fact that the Model Y is the #2 selling vehilce (after the Corolla)? Next year it will likely be the #1 selling car of any kind. The Model Y is the #1 selling car by revenue and by profit. And the Model 3 is not far behind. The Corolla is a $20K car; a high volume low margin product. The Y is high volume high margin; a nice product to have for any company.
Did you know that EVs comprised about 8% of new car sales in 2022? Of course Tesla is the leader, by far.