It’s called going after the low hanging fruit. The government cannot control street drugs so, they go after what the can. Sure, there is lots of opioid abuse. However, most of the problems are from non-regulated black market opioids. Got to have a crisis and a boogeyman.
Chronic pain
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Yes....i was jogging 6 miles a day back in 95 by 98 I was walking with a cane....RA and scar tissue and 4 "slipped disk" di me in......then botched surgery....my 2005 i had to stop working....i was almost screaming in pain from it
yeah ....all street drugs so lets take the 65 to 80 year olds with chronic pain off opiates cause they want to get high....
a few years ago i overheard a doctor telling a nurse about a women who had term cancer and maybe 6 months to live or less....
"lets not give her so much oxycodone ....we dont want her to get addicted"
I almost spoke up and said .....WTH are you talking about she will be DEAD from cancer long before oxycodone ....what the **** is wrong with you idiots....
like i said doctors are so scared about getting into legal problems now they gone full tilt the other way....
so people that need it turn to street drugs.....and die....
I feel for the OP and people in that situation. My 90 + yr. old FIL has chronic severe back pain and been through all sorts of back and other surgeries. About 3 or 4 years ago they forced him off of Morphine. I believe he was using it responsibly and it gave him some partial relief. Since then, he's been to every pain specialist in 30 miles including acupuncture, without any results. They now only allow him some Tylenol with codeine. I can think of no reason for his docs to do that. A friend's wife is in much the same situation with severe neck and back pain. I think she had once been on some sort of time release Morphine and was forced off.
Since most medical Doctors work for some sort of profit or non-profit corporation someone else is paying their malpractice premium. That may be part of the reason that opiate and opioid prescribing has been squashed. There have been countless prescribing abuses by medical practices, especially in the last 10 years. I recall one Urgent care center where everyone in the place was arrested but the receptionist. The whole fake heroin rehab clinic boom of a few years back was insane. Without going into all the financial gaming of parents that they did, several of them were cracked because the counselors were selling doses. So, the people who really need opiates get punished.
Since most medical Doctors work for some sort of profit or non-profit corporation someone else is paying their malpractice premium. That may be part of the reason that opiate and opioid prescribing has been squashed. There have been countless prescribing abuses by medical practices, especially in the last 10 years. I recall one Urgent care center where everyone in the place was arrested but the receptionist. The whole fake heroin rehab clinic boom of a few years back was insane. Without going into all the financial gaming of parents that they did, several of them were cracked because the counselors were selling doses. So, the people who really need opiates get punished.
I would definitely ask your doctor about this.
I don't know if it's just guideline or a law in CA that if a doctor prescribes a narcotic, Narcan needs to be prescribed with it. My wife takes Tramadol for her nephropathy. With her last prescription, there was Narcan nasal spray accompanying it.
I don't know if it's just guideline or a law in CA that if a doctor prescribes a narcotic, Narcan needs to be prescribed with it. My wife takes Tramadol for her nephropathy. With her last prescription, there was Narcan nasal spray accompanying it.
Tramadol is NOT an opiate...all the narcan in the world would have zero effect....they made me waste money on that crap also.....
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Not sure how to feel about this topic.
Old people are drug addicts too. Including my 76 year old grandmother. Something has to be done, but that's above my head to figure out.
Old people are drug addicts too. Including my 76 year old grandmother. Something has to be done, but that's above my head to figure out.
All the deaths come from fentenyl od's from mexico and china....not from a 75 year old taking some time releatded morphine....
The guy that lives behind me was talking to my GF tonight about what happened.....he is a Gulf War vet and has chronic pain from being shot in the left hip then the hum v taking to the base hospital hit a road side bomb and lost his right foot and some use of right arm....he said the doctors told him suck it up....he was a Marine and cut him off back in June from oxycontin twice a day.....now he get 30 mg x3 Norco...till Dec and then thats it.....My GF is a retired nurse but was a Army nurse in the first Gulf war herself....she cant believe they are treating vets so bad including herself ......she has MS and back problems when the helicopter she was a nurse on was hit by a RPG as it landed /crashed she has had back problems since and being forced of mscontin....she took 30mg twice a day......and they give het 4 7,5 norco's.....now they want to drop it to just few norco a day....
I know exactly what you are talking about. My wife has lower back problems. She has gone through all types of steroid injections and nerve ablation. It’s worked a little. She’s been prescribed Norco and/or Tramadol to go along with it. She has tried to get by without the Norco and has done pretty well at limiting herself to the Tramadol. I am currently experiencing some terrible neck pain and going through steroid injections. I have a nerve ablation set up for Aug. 29. I have not once been offered anything for the pain. So, I’m suffering through the process. I get the “take Advil” advice. News Flash: People taking blood pressure medications like ACE Inhibitors or Alpha Blockers cannot take NSAIDS. The NSAIDS and blood pressure medications, taken together, will cause kidney failure. What am I supposed to do?
What many people with chronic pain are going to do is turn to street drugs for relief. It is much more dangerous take street supplied opioids than getting legally supplied pain killers.
"...a internal med specialist..."
ask ur PCP to refer U (it's covered this way) to pain specialist (sometimes called pain clinic).
Each state is different (see the cannabis and meditation comment above) but TX does not
seem like a compliant state. 'Internal med' may not be the best to follow this issue?
Methadone is the longest acting opiate so hardest to w/d from. Different ones wrk for
different ppl. Even non-narcotics for some. Get the best work up U can. Make decisions
from there (hard to do when in chronic pain /OR/ under the effects of opiates). HTH, good
luck.
(BTW: we attempt to join 13 or so other states in death w/dignity. It only covers those
in terminal illness but I believe it should cover others. For 45- 200K yrs human kind has had this
ability. The Inuit walked out onto the ice flow for their final sleep, the Tikuna into the jungle to
be a meal rather than have one. Just since medical science has the human lost their
choice in termination. We need it back even if it must B mediated by 'the state'.
ask ur PCP to refer U (it's covered this way) to pain specialist (sometimes called pain clinic).
Each state is different (see the cannabis and meditation comment above) but TX does not
seem like a compliant state. 'Internal med' may not be the best to follow this issue?
Methadone is the longest acting opiate so hardest to w/d from. Different ones wrk for
different ppl. Even non-narcotics for some. Get the best work up U can. Make decisions
from there (hard to do when in chronic pain /OR/ under the effects of opiates). HTH, good
luck.
(BTW: we attempt to join 13 or so other states in death w/dignity. It only covers those
in terminal illness but I believe it should cover others. For 45- 200K yrs human kind has had this
ability. The Inuit walked out onto the ice flow for their final sleep, the Tikuna into the jungle to
be a meal rather than have one. Just since medical science has the human lost their
choice in termination. We need it back even if it must B mediated by 'the state'.
Ive been in chronic pain over 20 years and have done/tried anything i can to help ....i use to joke i would pee on an electric fence if i thought it would help. Muti surgery plus injections.....and anything you can think of ...nothing works.....even the opiates dont work as good as they did but the 25-30 percent they bring pain level down is better than nothing. I see lots of older adults turning to street drugs or they find way to off themselves rather than live in constant pain......I think they should do like other counties and legalize all ....people who want to shoot up herion will do so anyway...plus it takes away from the cartels and 100k people dying from rival gangs over money.
crime goes down people are not stealing to buy drugs....plus they could tax it....fot profit to pay for itself.
Locking people up because they are an addicted makes zero sense to me and is a waste of taxpayer money.
Something needs to change .....you have a huge group of BB'ers getting old now with all the problems with end of life brings.
I have had some idiot doctors tell me "you need to exercise more" great but you have to be able to walk first. I told him" you must been last in your class huh" and got in wheelchair and rolled out.
well said, good luck (try my suggestion if not done as of yet).
I can relate to that. I have had PHN(post shingle pain) for twenty three years. I have periodic flare ups so bad I can't move for several hours. Twice I have had to call 911 for help. I could stop these wild pain excursions if I had a methadone of fentanyl tablet, but my GP won't prescribe even one or two tablets. After seven years, my pain specialist told me he couldn't do anything for me and suggested my GP might help me. She won't prescribe anything beyond hydrocodone( no longer help), so I will live out my next few years in pain. Bah Humbug
The doctor i told "you must have been last in your class huh?" Dr.House
I looked at the nurse and she was trying hard not to start laughing....on the way out she told my GF who is still a reg nurse in MN..." im so glad your BF told him that"...." he thinks he is some genius Dr House type"
Why? If I was 76 and had significant chronic pain I'd probably be a drug addict too right up to my last day. I think the opposition to drug addiction should revolve around its negative impact on the life of the addicted and the limitations these negative impacts impart on the potential for a long and productive life. But now we are talking about someone who is near the end of their life and whose life is more severely impacted by their chronic pain when compared to the impact of drug addiction.
No one gets out of this life alive and there is something to be said about living out your final days and dying with dignity or at least humanely.
I don't know where you're located, but if you can get your doctor to write the script, you might have success with an online pharmacy out of this country. (Europe, Canada, or Mexico). There are several reputable one's out there.
You simply fax, or else scan and EMail your script to them, and they will fill it quickly. Payment is with most major credit cards. I would most definitely try to go this route.
You simply fax, or else scan and EMail your script to them, and they will fill it quickly. Payment is with most major credit cards. I would most definitely try to go this route.
Nick1994
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The pain an addict (whether it's emotional/physical) isn't just felt by them, but everyone else around them.
Yeah...I've spent my life surrounded by addicts of all ages. Totally depends on the circumstances and again those near the end of their lives seem to fair better with addiction than younger people. My mother is a pill popper who sits in her house popping pills prescribed by MDs for her various ailments collecting SS. Besides working, she was hardly a productive person prior to her addiction. I feel no emotional pain from her addiction. My MIL is an alcoholic at 76 and sure she drinks too much red every night but my wife and I feel no pain from her actions. These are both people who are near the end of their lives and do not work and they are not inflicting pain on others, just riding out their lives how they choose to ride it out. The impact of their addiction would be hugely different had it started at 35, but it didn't, and while their addiction may hasten their demise, it's not hurting anyone else.
My father was a fall-down drunk my entire life and sure, that caused a lot of family pain but that was because it wasn't just about him at that point in his life.
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OP, my wife deals with the very same thing. It's a no-win situation. She takes it as prescribed, but is having a hard time with the powers-that-be lately.
Florida and Publix pharmacy do not make it easy, but at least it is still possible.
One thing to consider, other countries have very different laws. A bit of travel might be in your future.
Florida and Publix pharmacy do not make it easy, but at least it is still possible.
One thing to consider, other countries have very different laws. A bit of travel might be in your future.
