Changed oil; no ramps

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Originally Posted By: mount
Change oil on my pickups without ramps all the time
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My expedition is 4x4. No ramps/jacks needed! Not quite enough room for me + the creeper tho.
 
Originally Posted By: solorexpy
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the heavy metals and other undesirables sort of settle on the bottom of the oil pan and pulling the plug helps to get rid of said undesirables? Pumping doesn't seem like a good idea, at least to me.


I agree, but I am also assuming that the OP would occasionally do it with the drain plug removed as well.
 
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: solorexpy
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the heavy metals and other undesirables sort of settle on the bottom of the oil pan and pulling the plug helps to get rid of said undesirables? Pumping doesn't seem like a good idea, at least to me.


I agree, but I am also assuming that the OP would occasionally do it with the drain plug removed as well.


Why would you occasionally pull the plug?
 
Originally Posted By: solorexpy
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the heavy metals and other undesirables sort of settle on the bottom of the oil pan and pulling the plug helps to get rid of said undesirables? Pumping doesn't seem like a good idea, at least to me.

Not sure that's really the case. Alas, I can't provide hard evidence either against or to confirm what you stated.

The way I see it, you've got two types of particle/crud in the engine. The first type is so small that it just gets suspended in the oil and thus comes out with the oil when you extract it. The second type are larger particles that cannot be suspended in the oil but instead get trapped by the filter media.

There shouldn't be anything settling at the bottom of the oil pan. But even if there is, if it's a soft settlement, it'll get thrown back into circulation when you run the engine and heat up the oil, and it's always a good idea to extract the oil while hot. On the other hand, if it's some hard baked on settlement that won't budge, then it will probably not come out on its own through the drain plug either.

As for the whole discussion regarding how much can be extracted vs. how much can be drained, it is really oil pan design dependent. If the engine was designed with oil extraction in mind, you can extract it all. People have done experiments when they extracted first, then unscrewed the drain plug and nothing else came out. But if your oil pan has a weird shape where the extraction tube can't reach all the way to the bottom, then you should probably stick with the traditional drain plug method.
 
Originally Posted By: solorexpy
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the heavy metals and other undesirables sort of settle on the bottom of the oil pan and pulling the plug helps to get rid of said undesirables? Pumping doesn't seem like a good idea, at least to me.




If you've got "heavy metals" settling at the bottom of your oil pan, your engine has got far more serious problems than draining vs pumping is going to fix. Anything heavy enough to settle at the bottom of the oil pan is not being suspended in the oil and indicates a serious mechanical issues--and it's not going to be evacuated with the oil draining from the pan.

On any internally sound engine, there should be absolutely nothing coating the bottom of the oil pan except oil.
 
Next thing you know you'll be starring in your own Viagra commercial...

I can see it now...

"You're at the age where you don't get thrown by curveballs. This is the age of knowing how to get things done."
 
Growing up in small-town PA:
International Harvester Scout = never used ramps
MGB sports car = always used ramps

I changed the oil on the sidewalk in front of my parents small house (drove right up, changed the oil). One time I did some substantial suspension work on the MGB on the tiny side lawn. I later learned that section of grass was actually the neighboring property (woops). It was a small strip, barely large enough for the MGB, we mowed it anyway with our own lawn. The only comment I remember was a friend of mine being impressed that I'd tackle such a job. I miss those days...

Well, I'm off to change the oil in my wife's KIA Sorento (with ramps, in my own driveway). Obviously no HOAs here.
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