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Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Pics or it never happened...

Seriously where is the sludge pron?


I'll have pics after I get off of work-

On the 4.7l the oil feed neck is made out of plastic and extends out of the valve cover about 10'' or so and this was creating the milky white foam that people started complaining about Chrysler's "fix" to this was to come out with a new cap and a plastic baffle that goes into the fill neck. All this did though was cut off the valve from view from the filler hole.

Out of sight out of mind was what Chrysler was going for, well the baffle can be taken out so I took mine out just to get a glimpse of the valves and they are disgusting from what I can see, it isn't the milky white condensation it is actual black sludge build up, [censored] it even was on the lower of 1/4 of the baffle itself, little sludge balls all over it.

I want to make it clear that the 4.7l is a fantastic engine, strong as a mother*&*&*&, Chrysler just made a mistake with the oil feed neck which is what caused all of these issues. My theory, now this is just MY PERSONAL THEORY, the 4.7 oil issues didn't start to pop up until the early 2000s, a couple years after the 4.7 had been out so if Chrysler actually admitted that the mistake was theirs and it wasn't the owner not taking care of the vehicle think of all the engines that Chrysler would have had to replace (Ultimately the engines were coming up blown because oil was no longer able to circulate). Instead they came up with this milky white just being an unsightly normal process and modern oils would clean it up so they said that this baffle would "fix" the problem even further. They say that the baffle will reduce the amount of foam but all it did was restrict it to the lower half of the feed neck.

Here is the letter that Chrysler sent out on the problem:
ACCUMULATION OF FOAMY OIL EMULSION 4.7L ENGINE OIL FILL HOUSING
Date: 09/11/00 (02/00)

Bulletin # 090100A (supercedes 090100)

Model year(s): 1999-2000

Description:A customer may complain of an oil emulsion accumulation inside the engine oil fill housing. The oil emulsion will normally be foamy and be gray or light brown in color. The emulsion accumulation will often occur on cooler engine surfaces, like the inside of the oil fill housing. Modern engine oils are designed to address the oil emulsion phenomenon. Oil emulsion accumulation is normal and will not damage the engine A new baffle and a revised oil fill housing cap have been released. The baffle and oil cap will help to reduce the amount of oil emulsion accumulation within the oil fill housing.

Details: If the customer has experienced this issue, then perform the Repair Procedure.

Parts required:
53032126AA Baffle, Oil Fill Housing
53032389AC Cap, Oil Fill Housing
 
Originally Posted By: RamFan
I'll have pics after I get off of work-


Sounds Good.

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They say that the baffle will reduce the amount of foam but all it did was restrict it to the lower half of the feed neck.


How about just removing the Baffle, I did this on my small block chevy and my valvetrain and valve covers look great, I have pics in the Photo Section.
 
Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: RamFan
I'll have pics after I get off of work-


Sounds Good.

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They say that the baffle will reduce the amount of foam but all it did was restrict it to the lower half of the feed neck.


How about just removing the Baffle, I did this on my small block chevy and my valvetrain and valve covers look great, I have pics in the Photo Section.


I don't follow. I did remove it, that is how I found the sludge...
 
Sorry, I was just responding to what was written in your last post, or what you had Cut and Pasted. Good call on removing that Valve Cover Baffle.
 
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Quick bio: I received the truck this past Christmas and did a change with M1 5w30, I changed it again in June after maybe 2k miles. Right now it has SynPower 5w30 so the pictures you are seeing is after a 5 month 2k OCI with M1 and an almost 2 month 1700mi OCI with SynPower. What was in there previously or how often the oil was changed is unknown. I just emptied a quart of SynPower and swapped it out with a quart of MMO and will take pictures after 500 mi where I will then do a full OC, more than likely PP with 1 quart of MMO.

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This is the oil filler neck with the baffle that Chrysler "fixed" the oil issues with.

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This is the bottom end of the baffle

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This is the oil filler neck with the baffle removed

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Zoomed in on the valves

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Slightly more zoomed in on valves
 
You really did not need to swap out a quart of oil, the MMO is going to soak into that junk.

I am currently seeing what MMO will do on a cruded up car that one of my relatives rarely drives, the car holds 5 quarts of oil.

I put in 5 quarts of oil and a quart of MMO, the oil level is right on the FULL MARK.

Good Luck, and keep an eye on your Oil Level.
 
My friend bought a dodge ram, brand new in 02. We have pretty easy driving conditions here in NC and we were in school about 25 miles down the interstate. Anyway about four years into driving the truck he noticed his oil gauge pinging off zero when he would pull to a red light. This would only occur after about 6k miles on the oil. He ran M1 xw30 forever. After we did some research and changed the PCV , he did a 1000 mile flush with PP5w30 then a 3000 mile run. He is sticking to 3 to 4 k changes and the problem has not occurred again. I believe, if i were you, i would do a couple of flushes then stick to some pretty short oil change intervals. Maybe try some heavier duty stuff like M1 0w40 or rotella 5w40.
 
Originally Posted By: c3po
You really did not need to swap out a quart of oil, the MMO is going to soak into that junk.



Your the first person I've heard say this. The level is still fine and I will continue to check but I've never heard that the MMO will soak into sludge.
 
Originally Posted By: RamFan
Originally Posted By: c3po
You really did not need to swap out a quart of oil, the MMO is going to soak into that junk.



Your the first person I've heard say this. The level is still fine and I will continue to check but I've never heard that the MMO will soak into sludge.


I think more likely a good portion of the mmo will evaporate.
 
I know it may look bad,, and I would also feel the same way as you going after the sludge build up... however things are not nearly as bad as you think. Most likely the sludge has built up only on non critical non moving, or non oil flow parts this is what I have seen in many many mechanical engines, gear boxes etc... it's where the oil is close to air, reaches air, or has very little to no circulation that sludge/varnish forms. I would keep the oil changes short for now (looks like you will have no problem looking at your past OCI's) and do choose a group III or take advantage of the Pennzoil claim of cleaning !!
 
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