Yours. The lubricant side of Valvoline, which is relevant to this discussion, is owned by Aramco.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/about-us/
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Straight from the horse's mouth:
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I simply typed the following question into my search engine:
What is Valvoline?
I find it amusing that people take issue with the results which are generated by a search engine algorithm and transform them into a personal attack.
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It's obvious that Google Overview AI results at this time are yet to be 100% reliable, so the idea that you're posting misinformation without having vetted it and then going on the offensive when people post the facts is what's amusing.
Let’s remove the search engine from the equation then. I’m currently holding a Valvoline product that says it’s American made and formulated on the back label. What does that mean?
It means the engine oil was made in USA by a Valvoline refinery. That Valvoline refinery, here in the USA is owned by King of Saudia Arabia's family. Valvoline is a Saudia company. Somebody said that the Valvoline oil change shops are USA owned. I have no idea about that.
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Exactly. For what it's worth @JRay’07 , the back of their bottles used to say, "American owned & operated". Right after they got bought out by Aramco, that's when the label phrasing changed over to the current "American made & formulated" that you're seeing now.
Hmmm, wonder why that is...
Man, just admit you're wrong, quit doubling down, and let's move on. You ignored all of the primary sources others posted here and instead did a half a second Google search, and I'm sure ignored all of the links below it which would have pointed you in the right direction, to instead focus on the AI summary, which we know are not very accurate. You continue to ignore the links posted here, including from Valvoline's own website, to focus on the label on a bottle of oil you're holding??
Foreign companies can have American assets. It's not saying anything bad about the good people who live in the US and work for Valvoline. Just like there are a lot of Americans who work for Toyota and build Toyota cars and work in Toyota dealerships here in the states. I'm sure they're good people and do good work. Who knows, they may have even gotten raises and better benefits when Aramco bought them. Aramco has more money than you and I can wrap our heads around. Valvoline is just a wholly-owned, American-run and -operated subsidiary of a Saudi company. I hope that sinks in.
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None of this is relevant to the OP topic. He asked about the technical merits of the oil. Also, the post that began this offtopic stuff was IMO clearly a political post in violation of the BITOG no politics rule. I don't know why this sideshow has been allowed to become the main show in dozens more off topic posts.
Could we please get back on topic?
Could we please get back on topic?
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Why are you so quick to move away from the topic of Valvoline's ownership anytime it's mentioned lately? It's a piece of relevant information within the space of PCMO and is not politics. Would it also be political to state, "The Castrol brand is owned by BP", or, "LiquiMoly is a German company"?
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Quick? This thread was hijacked at least a dozen posts ago by the first post about this sideshow. In the the first post about it said the Saudi Royal Family owns Valvoline, supports terrorism, and funded 9/11. BITOG (supposedly) has a rule against making politics posts and replying to political posts, or so a moderator once told me in the past. It seems the rules are not uniformly enforced.
That first off topic post was clearly political and not entirely accurate either. I tried to correct the inaccurate part and was told I can't make a political post, but I was merely relpying to a political post that got this thread permanently off topic.
The debate that post started has been raging ever since and is fruit of that first political post someone made. It put this thread permantently off topic.
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The OP didn't ask about specs of certain oils, he simple threw it out there as "this brand or that brand". I think the topic of ownership is relevant because that could indeed (and clearly does for some members here) weigh on their choice of which brand to purchase.
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That ^ post contains political content. Some of which is incorrect. I'm not allowed to comment about it nor reply to it because commenting on a political statement is political a mod said. However, why then is the original political post still remaining?
It was after that post that this thread went to perpetual offtopic ****.
That said, I do also see your point Cheesepuffs. You might not have even seen that post nor been referencing it. You might only be talking about who owns Valvoline, which might be relevant in that it's no longer American owned, but neither are Shell, Pennzoil, Quaker State, and Castrol American owned. Yet they all employ Americans.
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Sounds like you need to DM a mod about your concern instead of trying to play thread hall monitor.
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I will.
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Edit: Taking this to PMs.
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I apologized to you in a PM and deleted it.
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I use both. Both have a good variety of oils to choose from too.
I know and understand the importance of buying American. However the thread is really about which performs better. I used the search function prior to authoring this thread and came up with what I call cheerleading posts which did not provide any real information. I was looking for more analysis.
They are both good oils. Castrol Extended Performance has ALL the certifications. It kind of depends on what you are looking for. A lot here on Bitog are Mobil fans, which is also a good choice. It is not my choice, but it is great oil. Mobil is the largest seller of engine oil in the world, they must do something right. Personally, I would use Castrol or Liqui Moly. The biggest thing is 5000 mile or 6-month, whichever comes first oil and filter changes, however that is just my opinion. All these oils will perform great; just be sure the oil you use meets the oil specs. of the vehicle you are putting it in and change your oil and filter often. Mobil is USA owned, Castrol is UK owned, Valvoline in owned by the Sadia Arabia Royal Family, and Liqui Moly is from Germany. Liqui Moly is only manufactured in Germany. The rest are made all over the world. If you want to get really fancy, you could use HPL or Amsoil. They are both from the USA. That is about all I have to say.
It is an American company owned by Aramco.
https://www.aramco.com/en/news-media/news/2023/aramco-completes-acquisition-of-valvoline
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