Castrol vs Penzoil vs Maxlife HM oils

[Carnoobie]

I was told Penzoil is rated the 2nd best oil in the world behind M1 is that true?

How much thinner would Penzoil HM and VAL HM oils be than my current Castrol GTX?

I decided im not going to go back to M1 full syn and just stick with HM oils since ive been using it for over a month now. But what im interested in is switching to Penzoil HM or VAL HM if theyre considerably thinner. And hey if theyre better quality too even better.

Castrol GTX is good oil but ive noticed my milage has taken a noticable hit since using it. And because the oil is the thickest of all 3, the cold starts in winter, and the time it takes for the oil to defrost and get into the pistons and bearings worries me. Cause itll put massive amounts of extra wear on my engine and shorten the life.

As far as weights go, lets not get into it, I spoke with Honda techs about it and Im sticking with 5W30, maybe drop to 5W20. When hot, 5W20/30 already get thin as is and 0W20 will just be even thinner. Its not worth the extra engine wear. The new Hondas run 0W20 now for the extra 1-2% gas milage.

 

[Zaedock]

You didn't read any of what people posted before.

This is a useless thread.

 

[Zaedock]

Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
When hot, 5W20/30 already get thin as is and 0W20 will just be even thinner. Its not worth the extra engine wear. The new Hondas run 0W20 now for the extra 1-2% gas milage.


This is just complete foolishness.

 

[demarpaint]

 

[Zaedock]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Got any of that troll spray left?

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
When hot, 5W20/30 already get thin as is and 0W20 will just be even thinner. Its not worth the extra engine wear. The new Hondas run 0W20 now for the extra 1-2% gas milage.


This is just complete foolishness.


Thats what ive been told. 5W30 offers the best engine protection for wear when hot.

 

[JavierG]

Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
I was told Penzoil is rated the 2nd best oil in the world behind M1 is that true?

Nope. Amsoil is rated tops.

 

[KD0AXS]

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: JavierG
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
I was told Penzoil is rated the 2nd best oil in the world behind M1 is that true?

Nope. Amsoil is rated tops.


Says who? LOL

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Got any of that troll spray left?


I just ran out.

 

[Zaedock]

Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/


It's a decent read and nice effort by the Doc, but not everything is correct in there.

 

[MarkStock]

Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
and the time it takes for the oil to defrost and get into the pistons and bearings worries me.

 

[Dakota1820]

if we are looking at this from a truly technical and logical point of view. i can tell you 5w30 will coke up faster because it has to have more viscosity improvers to make the wider viscosity fluctuation. so only looking at this from a blind one point of view. i pretty well proved 5w30 is inherently not the best. i will agree some of the thin oil push is to increase fuel mileage. i personally hate the idea of 20 weight oils. just for emotional reasons nothing technical. oil does not defrost like you said. oil gets thicker the colder it gets. so the colder it get the more gel like oil becomes. a thicker oil is worse than a thin oil obviously. now if i was going to say what i believe the best grade of oil to be well bet would be on a 0w30 for most avg cars.
as far as best brand well that's foolish personally if you are doing a regular oci like 5-7500 miles any good dino is going to suffice. paying for a brand name is just silly. they all make great stuff. heck i am running supertech 5w30 dino in my saturn it is doing very well. as far as high mileage oil goes.....its good for certain applications. personally though i do not think it is usually needed in a good well maintained car. but if you have minor oil usage or leakage why not give it a shot.

 

[KD0AXS]

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/


It's a decent read and nice effort by the Doc, but not everything is correct in there.


True, but it's better than the nonsense that's going on here.

On a more serious note, if you are worried about the 5W-30 in the cold, and you think 0W-20 is too thin, then a 0W-30 seems like the logical choice.

 

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: JavierG
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
I was told Penzoil is rated the 2nd best oil in the world behind M1 is that true?

Nope. Amsoil is rated tops.


UMM! Got a list of car manufacturer type approvals and independent labs in Germany that think that??
Amsoil is good, but I think you will find that the top three engine oil companies are Castrol, Mobil and Liqui Moly, BUT which one is best would depend on the oil and required approvals. Not much difference in reality.
GTX 5/30 is a good part conventional oil, but if I was in Canada in winter I would use an 0/20 or 0/30 unless the OP has a block or good oil sump heater etc. 5/30 in summer unless the car is fairly new and the approvals say 5 or 0/20.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
if we are looking at this from a truly technical and logical point of view. i can tell you 5w30 will coke up faster because it has to have more viscosity improvers to make the wider viscosity fluctuation. so only looking at this from a blind one point of view. i pretty well proved 5w30 is inherently not the best. i will agree some of the thin oil push is to increase fuel mileage. i personally hate the idea of 20 weight oils. just for emotional reasons nothing technical. oil does not defrost like you said. oil gets thicker the colder it gets. so the colder it get the more gel like oil becomes. a thicker oil is worse than a thin oil obviously. now if i was going to say what i believe the best grade of oil to be well bet would be on a 0w30 for most avg cars.
as far as best brand well that's foolish personally if you are doing a regular oci like 5-7500 miles any good dino is going to suffice. paying for a brand name is just silly. they all make great stuff. heck i am running supertech 5w30 dino in my saturn it is doing very well. as far as high mileage oil goes.....its good for certain applications. personally though i do not think it is usually needed in a good well maintained car. but if you have minor oil usage or leakage why not give it a shot.


I dont have anymore leaks, had them all fixed with new seals over a month ago. I guess the reason why im using HM oil is for the addictive that they have that reg and syn oil doesnt.

Do you think its a bad idea to be running HM oil on a car that has no leaks? HM oils do have seal conditioners and zinc in them. I know I dont need HM oil but i guess im just a sucker when I see on the box "prolongs engine life, recommended for engines over 100k miles etc" (I have 163k KM btw, aka 105k M or so).

The thicker viscosity at cold startup in winters with 5W30 do concern me for engine wear. Depending on how cold it is, i idle anywhere from 3-8mins in the winters. Long enough so i give it time for the oil to be flowing everywhere. Would idling the car for few mins longer help? How long would you say it generally takes for the oil to start flowing to the pistons and bearings in -20 weather? And this is why i plug in cause it does help.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Got any of that troll spray left?

 

[Lead Shoes]

Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
I was told Penzoil is rated the 2nd best oil in the world behind M1 is that true?

How much thinner would Penzoil HM and VAL HM oils be than my current Castrol GTX?

I decided im not going to go back to M1 full syn and just stick with HM oils since ive been using it for over a month now. But what im interested in is switching to Penzoil HM or VAL HM if theyre considerably thinner. And hey if theyre better quality too even better.

Castrol GTX is good oil but ive noticed my milage has taken a noticable hit since using it. And because the oil is the thickest of all 3, the cold starts in winter,and the time it takes for the oil to defrost and get into the pistons and bearings worries me. Cause itll put massive amounts of extra wear on my engine and shorten the life.

As far as weights go, lets not get into it, I spoke with Honda techs about it and Im sticking with 5W30, maybe drop to 5W20. When hot, 5W20/30 already get thin as is and 0W20 will just be even thinner. Its not worth the extra engine wear. The new Hondas run 0W20 now for the extra 1-2% gas milage.


Seriously, have you absorbed anything from your previous questions here or read the home page oil info?

You are either not absorbing what you read here, or a persistent troll.

 

[bigjl]

Why would 5w30 flow much different to 5w20 when cold?

And all of my experience and knowledge says it is not the best thing to idle a car for a prelonged period of time when it is cold.

And the best course of action is to drive away shortly after starting but show restraint with load and revs.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
if we are looking at this from a truly technical and logical point of view. i can tell you 5w30 will coke up faster because it has to have more viscosity improvers to make the wider viscosity fluctuation. so only looking at this from a blind one point of view. i pretty well proved 5w30 is inherently not the best. i will agree some of the thin oil push is to increase fuel mileage. i personally hate the idea of 20 weight oils. just for emotional reasons nothing technical. oil does not defrost like you said. oil gets thicker the colder it gets. so the colder it get the more gel like oil becomes. a thicker oil is worse than a thin oil obviously. now if i was going to say what i believe the best grade of oil to be well bet would be on a 0w30 for most avg cars.
as far as best brand well that's foolish personally if you are doing a regular oci like 5-7500 miles any good dino is going to suffice. paying for a brand name is just silly. they all make great stuff. heck i am running supertech 5w30 dino in my saturn it is doing very well. as far as high mileage oil goes.....its good for certain applications. personally though i do not think it is usually needed in a good well maintained car. but if you have minor oil usage or leakage why not give it a shot.


I dont have anymore leaks, had them all fixed with new seals over a month ago. I guess the reason why im using HM oil is for the addictive that they have that reg and syn oil doesnt.

Do you think its a bad idea to be running HM oil on a car that has no leaks? HM oils do have seal conditioners and zinc in them. I know I dont need HM oil but i guess im just a sucker when I see on the box "prolongs engine life, recommended for engines over 100k miles etc" (I have 163k KM btw, aka 105k M or so).

The thicker viscosity at cold startup in winters with 5W30 do concern me for engine wear. Depending on how cold it is, i idle anywhere from 3-8mins in the winters. Long enough so i give it time for the oil to be flowing everywhere. Would idling the car for few mins longer help? How long would you say it generally takes for the oil to start flowing to the pistons and bearings in -20 weather? And this is why i plug in cause it does help.


If it takes 3-8 minutes for oil to flow everywhere for you where do you live?