Case for bigger Gov.

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Ask all of the Canadians who come down to the US for medical care because:

1. Good Canadian Drs end up in the US so they can actually make money (yes the most important and intelligent folks do deserve more $$)

2. The waiting period for socialized healthcare is ridiculous (guess they've never heard the saying an oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure)

3. Taxes- I pay enough thank you; I have zero desire to pay 55% of my earnings to the govt

4. Cure rates - bottom line the US is THE BEST when it comes to saving lives - thats what its all about right? Why do we have UPS and Fedex if the govt way of mail delivery is the best?

Hahahaha ... So far from the truth... You keep paying for your insurance that can be denied and I will keep paying 30% income tax on my rather larger than average income and keep my FREE-Health care. BTW: I can walk in and see my doctor almost any day without an appointment and without waiting more than 20 minutes...

The problem is your media has been bought by your private sector who wants to keep the "For Profit" system, so they feed this B.S. about Canadian Socialize Health Care which is constantly lacking and costing us a fortune... Again I laugh because you are so far from the truth... Ask any Canadian on this board!

Also I have lots of friend in the U.S. that I visit and we compare costs all the time, trust me when I tell you we have it better.

The anti-universal health care interest groups in this country have created a myth that the Canadians have bad health care system. That has very little to do with reality but they keep repeating it. The only time the Canadians buy health insurance is when they travel to the US. Otherwise, I have not seen a Canadian yet who prefers the system in this country to theirs.


Or if they can't wait for something and have cash to burn and head to the US to have it done right away... Like a NON-EMERGENCY M.R.I. etc...

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Stevie - I appreciate your contribution but it varies widely from what I have seen on other boards that I belong to. I just mapped your area thinking that you are living in the sticks and that was the reason but it appears you are in one of the only populated areas of Canada. Please let me know more as I hate the media and love to learn more from real people.

1. you work
2. you really only pay 30% taxes?
3. you wait for 1/2 the time that I do for a Dr.
4. is your Dr. over the age of 11?

Sorry for AS-Suming anything here, I love to learn.BTW what the heck is a kilometer? lol.



1) I work for a large American Company of Restaurants that we also have here in Canada... Don't want to name.

2) I really only pay about 30% in income tax and deductions from my pay, trust me I have worked it out many times...

3) I have only to wait about 20 minutes without an appointment to see my doctor. When I was living closer to the TORONTO area I had to wait a bit longer, but not much... Maybe 1/2 hour, but then again I didn't have an appointment. Always when I had to go the Emergency room as a kid and later in life with my Asthma or Heart problem I was always seen right away and treated. Never had to wait 2+ hours in the hallway like they say on CNN.

4) My Doctor is in his 40's I would guess...

5) A Kilometer is a Mile x 1.6, A Litre is 0.946 US-Quarts, A US-Gallon is 3.78 Litres

I live in a very "country" area, but I don't live far from a very populated city called Hamilton (500,000 population) and this is only 60KM+ from the city of Toronto which is Ontario's Capital and has a population of 3.2 or so Million.

 

[dave123]

tell me when health care became a right...

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Your name must be Buffett if you are paying only 30% tax in Canada. I have a popular doctor, and have to wait 2 months for an appointment.


Are you making over 100K? I'm not... I have a great Finanacial Advisor at Investors Group and I get a Notice of Assesment statement each year from Revenue Canada after I file my taxes that shows what I Grossed, and what I paid and what I contributed to RRSP's etc. and I always pay 30% or less.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: dave123
tell me when health care became a right...


I will tell you when you are dying in a bed and your insurance refuses to pay for "That" treatment or when you can't be treated because you have had some bad luck and don't have insurance and the "Government" won't step up to help you...

In Canada it's a right, because all Canadians decided long ago that it was worthwhile to have a socialized system that would "be there" when we needed it.

I have never been let down, and I have never had to worry about loosing my job and not being able to go to a hospital... I also had heart surgery when I was younger to repair a leaking valve that would have left me dead within 2 years if I didn't... Pretty Great "Right" I have paid a reasonable price for!

My best friend who's Canadian and married to an American has told me that his wifes sister has had Broncitis for 2 months but doesn't have insurance and can't afford treatment so she just keeps putting up with it.

 

[oilyriser]

When your kids need money for college, and your parents are in their last years, who should get the money spent on them?

Canada saves money on the health insurance system by taking away much of the right to sue. If someone crashes into your car and you get whiplash, you cannot sue for lost wages unless the damage is severe or permanent; you only get paid for rehabilitation expenses.

 

[StevieC]

As for College / Aging Parents: "If you fail to plan, then you plan to fail" You must be one of those 51% of Canadians that don't have a financial plan to take care of your "wants/needs" in future...

My retirement is well looked after because I started early (3.8 Million after 35 years), I will have money invested for my future kids (adopting), and my house will be paid off in 15 years? Surely this enough money to take care of my needs/wants? Also my parents have more than enough put away for retirement because they started early... Nevertheless I will have plenty to help them if I need.

Ok... Whatever... FYI. My aunt was just in an accident, totalled her car and has whiplash and is getting paid for lost wages as she is off work because she can't work with the neck pain she has. Her insurance covered it without her having to sue. She had this included in her insurance, maybe you don't? I have car rental in mine in the event I total my car or it has to be in for repairs for a long time due to an accident... I need this because I use my car for work and I'm on the road 8+ hours a day. Check with your insurance before you make wild claims.

 

[StevieC]

Honestly though... All kidding aside, if any of my Ontario friends on this board would like the Contact Information for my Investors Group Financial Advisor, please PM ME? He has great wealth building strategies which he has used for me and my other family members and he is one of the best people I'm happy to have met.

 

[buster]

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You don't share the view that 50 million Americans lack health insurance and nearly as many are under-insured?


No, I don't share the view that more gov. is the answer. Smarter gov. yes. Bigger, no.

 

[Pablo]

 

[buster]

LOL

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
And you really think people in the USA go untreated?


many are.

..or are you saying that the best care available is freely available to all ..and that the poorest of the poor have 100% access to the same health care as the most productive and "substantial"???


We're all equal here ..but some people are more equal than others.

 

[Shannow]

I think that things that are either compulsory because that's the law, or compulsory because they are a human necessity shouldn't be in private hands.

That's why Tyco can charge $400 for what's essentially a slingshot rubber.

The US doesn't really have a private model from what I can gather, as the employer provides it, shielding the end user from the pain of regular payments.

 

[oilyriser]

Originally Posted By: StevieC

Ok... Whatever... FYI. My aunt was just in an accident, totalled her car and has whiplash and is getting paid for lost wages as she is off work because she can't work with the neck pain she has. Her insurance covered it without her having to sue. She had this included in her insurance, maybe you don't?


*Her* insurance, which she paid for.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Pablo
And you really think people in the USA go untreated?


many are.

..or are you saying that the best care available is freely available to all ..and that the poorest of the poor have 100% access to the same health care as the most productive and "substantial"???


We're all equal here ..but some people are more equal than others.


The poorest of poor get treated, yes absolutely. If you deny this, you are just playing politics. In fact in the USA, poor ILLEGAL ALIENS get treated! That's one thing I admire about the Canadian system, at least they have balls to deny non-citizens coverage, or at least charge them. Check out the the bill just passed this week in the US for child universal coverage - even includes non-citizens. Why?

Now you said "best", so if you are including botox injections and free livers for alcoholics, maybe not. But bleeding wounds, head trauma, etc....yes FREE. Or rather you and I pay the bill anyway.

As for the stats - the way health care expenses are summed in the USA seems to be different across the board. Be careful with those numbers.

Listen - I have said it before - I am not against a complete re-do of the health care system, but what evidence do we have that the government is the BEST to do this? Just because some governments have botched it and our government botches everything, doesn't make me against changing. I just tend to think we can and should do better. But you and Waxman know what's best for us, I'm sure.

 

[buster]

Quote:

Listen - I have said it before - I am not against a complete re-do of the health care system, but what evidence do we have that the government is the BEST to do this? Just because some governments have botched it and our government botches everything, doesn't make me against changing. I just tend to think we can and should do better. But you and Waxman know what's best for us, I'm sure.


Right, I agree. My issue is Americans would most likely B I T C H about an all gov. run system once they get a taste for it.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Originally Posted By: StevieC

Ok... Whatever... FYI. My aunt was just in an accident, totalled her car and has whiplash and is getting paid for lost wages as she is off work because she can't work with the neck pain she has. Her insurance covered it without her having to sue. She had this included in her insurance, maybe you don't?


*Her* insurance, which she paid for.


But you were saying that she couldn't get reimbursement or sue... She is getting reimbursement. When you are obtaining insurance to protect you against accidents/human error you can pick the degree of protection. Just Liability to protect your arse in the even you kill someone accidentally etc. If your car is stolen, in a fire, or in a collision... These are choices you have to make as my aunt made to have the insurance company cover her for possible lost wages, and as I have had to cover my need for a rental car. Either way we are paying very little to have this extra coverage... Either way you would still get medical treatment for your injuries...

 

[oilyriser]

I can pay for fire insurance, and if someone else torches my house after 50 years, I get paid. But it's my own money coming back.

As for total tax rates, I had forgotten about the recent new $5k exemption account, so it is possible for mid income earners to pay 30%. This tax free savings account is also a jobs program for bankers, since it could have been done more efficiently as a check box on the tax return.

 

[farrarfan1]

Wow, 4 pages of "P" talk and it's still alive. Impressive.

 

[Oldmoparguy1]