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How many folks here have had a new car with issues that the dealership either could not or would not resolve?

I have experienced this dismay a few times and it seems to me that mfgrs would gain a lot of respect if they would place a bit of priority on the new car owner with a minor issue in the stealership.

One of my own issues was with a 1995 GMC Vandura 3500 van for my biz. Its front brakes were gone at 6k miles! The stealer said "it's overloaded". I said it was not, have you weighed it? Of course it was well within the GVWR as it was built by a GM Authorized Upfitter that really knows their stuff. After some irate phone traffic the stealership agreed to replace the brakes as they should have.

Then the "blacklisted" me in the computerized dealer network as a complainer, and I had difficulty getting it serviced at all! It took a lawyer and some time but eventually all issues were resolved and my blacklisting was removed.

I wonder how many other clients were in with a small issue that was enlarged by very poor service?
 
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2008 Wrangler Rubicon: Engine never had power, knocked and bunt oil from 30K to 80k (They traded it at that point). The electronic swaybar disconnect and electronic axle lock never worked.

2011 Focus: Still doesn't like to shift into 2nd gear.

2001 Wrangler: Required reprogramming every month or so, otherwise the engine would run so rich it'd foul the spark plugs and not run at all. No one could figure that one out.

2001 Taurus: Pinged bad since about 25K miles when under a load and had a slight misfire at part throttle cruise (not enough to set a CEL or even notice) . Dealer couldn't diagnose (they threw parts at it under warranty), I tried a ton of things. Finally at 70K miles, it threw a CEL that lead me to replace the DPFE sensor. Never pinged again after that.

2001 F350 / 2004 Wrangler / 1997 Wrangler ... No problems.


Edit: I wonder what the top of the pistons look like in the Taurus. That many piles of severe spark knock ...
 
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Do you have the Lemon Law in FL. I know here they have three tries to fix an issue and if not they are pretty much bound to buy the vehicle back or offer you some kind of settlement.

I knew someone who had an imaginary complaint about a Pontiac Grand Am and it couldn't be fixed because it was basically normal operation. And mediationed ruled GM to give the owner like $1500.

A lot of it is the individual dealer. That sounds like a bad dealer. It sounds like FL doesn't have a lemon law and has bad dealers and auto repair shops in general.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Then they "blacklisted" me in the computerized dealer network as a complainer, and I had difficulty getting it serviced at all!


I got "blacklisted" because I dumped a 1/3 quart of 75w90 full of metal shavings on a GMC service managers desk calendar when he told me an 8oz cup of metal shavings was "normal" coming out of a front differential at 41000 miles and must be due to my driving. They refused warranty. I traded the GMC for a Toyota. Never been back.
 
1992 Jetta: Intermittent lack of power. Three years and a countless amount of new parts later, MOST of which were under warranty = UNSUCCESSFUL
 
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Blacklisted in the dealer network??!?


Oh yeah they keep track of all of the "complainers" who have the nerve to come back with real failures and may not be in the best mood.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Do you have the Lemon Law in FL. I know here they have three tries to fix an issue and if not they are pretty much bound to buy the vehicle back or offer you some kind of settlement.


My friend sued BMW over lemon law and it tied up his car with a blown out engine for 18 months. They tried everything to elude payment. He out lasted them. So, if you have lots time go for it.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Do you have the Lemon Law in FL. I know here they have three tries to fix an issue and if not they are pretty much bound to buy the vehicle back or offer you some kind of settlement.


My friend sued BMW over lemon law and it tied up his car with a blown out engine for 18 months. They tried everything to elude payment. He out lasted them. So, if you have lots time go for it.


Well in Ohio there is also arbritration within the Lemon Law and that can be resolved fast. If an automaker really wants to play hardball they could, but with the Lemon Law protection they will almost always lose, so it's pretty ridiculous of them to do that.
 
"Likes Jelly Donuts"

Yeah, they blacklist.
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Father had 2010 Mini Cooper S Conv. It was leaking water on the passenger side after heavy rains or if you would go to touch less wash.
You could literally see water puddles on rubber carpets.
He has been to dealer about 6 times and it was staying there for more than a day couple of times. Issue was not resolved, car was sold to another dealer.
P.S they took door apart, changed seals on the roof, seals around the door, nothing, or they just lied about changing those.
 
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They also blacklist mechanics that are not playing the game to their liking, but blacklisting employees is nothing new
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Blacklisting you as a complainer reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Elaine was blacklisted at the doctors for being "difficult".

I had no idea such a thing (blacklisting based on warranty issues) was real.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Blacklisting you as a complainer reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Elaine was blacklisted at the doctors for being "difficult".

I had no idea such a thing (blacklisting based on warranty issues) was real.


Or when Elain got herself and her new commy BF blacklisted from Hopsings Chinese restaurant lol. Or maybe the soup nazi is now the dealer nazi, No auto repairs for you! You'd think of blacklisting as more of an informal, personal thing but never a formal process against customers.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino


"Likes Jelly Donuts"

Yeah, they blacklist.
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God I miss the old Saturn.
I still have to own even just one more S-series before I die.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: cchase
Blacklisting you as a complainer reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Elaine was blacklisted at the doctors for being "difficult".

I had no idea such a thing (blacklisting based on warranty issues) was real.


Or when Elain got herself and her new commy BF blacklisted from Hopsings Chinese restaurant lol. Or maybe the soup nazi is now the dealer nazi, No auto repairs for you! You'd think of blacklisting as more of an informal, personal thing but never a formal process against customers.



NO REPAIRS...ONE YEAR!!!! lol
 
My neighbor bought a new BMW 328i with about every bell and whistle possible and that car has been nothing but trouble. He has had the car 3 months and it has spent at least a month of that time at the dealer while they try to figure out why all of the sudden the car decided that it doesn't want to go anymore. No warning and then it will restart and be fine. That car is too complicated for its own good.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
How many folks here have had a new car with issues that the dealership either could not or would not resolve?


Me! 2005 Toyota Tacoma bought brand new. Biggest piece of [censored] I have ever had and worst dealer base and car company overall I have ever seen.

Not only wouldn't the dealer do anything about the myriad of problems that plagued that vehicle( real problems not imagined )but neither would the car mfg! The area rep who was supposed to be involved wouldn't come to the dealer to do his job and he wouldn't return phone calls either. Tried calling Toyota directly and they kept telling me to deal with the dealer or the rep. When I said neither one would do anything they said oh well( basically ).

I had it 7.5 months. Had problems with EVERYTHING!

Tires( Dunlop Grandtrek AT20 )wouldn't balance and made the vehicle shake like an earth quake. They would only replace them with another set of the same and they did it too and then they would not do any more. Said it was fine. yeah right. Hold a bottle of cream as you drove down the higwhay and in about 10 miles you would have butter! Tires were also scary dangerous in any kind of wet/slippery conditions. I ended up replacing them on my dime with good tires.

Brakes. Did not provide adequate stopping power under normal driving never mind towing. I had to really pay attention and start stopping WAY before you should have to. Can't count the times I wound up almost hitting someone because the brakes just wouldn't stop the vehicle. Squealed ALL THE TIME as well.

Engine noises. Rap's and clatters that were not fuel injectors, pulley's, etc... Not normal. Basically top end starved for oil noise. Was there at idle and under load. Being selective with oil filter brands and the oil itself helped some. I was not alone with this complaint but as is typical with Toyota( and most car mfg's )it was deny deny deny. I would not be surprised if that engine failed within a year or two( max )after I got rid of it.

Engine surge. This was made even worse by the poor brakes. You would be sitting there at a stop sign/light with the engine idling, waiting to go, and all of a sudden the RPM's would spike to 2000+ and you would jump forward. I finally had to start shifting into N at all stops if I expected to have to wait more than a second or two before being able to go. Was in the vehicle when a tech saw it happen and he STILL tried to tell me it was normal and not a problem.

Composite bed cracked going over a bump. Sounded like a gun shot going off. I pulled over and looked to see what happened and found the big crack. They said I overloaded the bed so no coverage which was bull. Never hauled anything heavier than a 150lbs snow blower( once )and that was on a heavy rubber bed mat. Other than the big crack the bed was spotless as well so clearly not user inflicted.

More rattles/squeaks/clunks/whistles than a 30 year old car! Body( cab )mounts, leaf spring bushings, windshield seal, door weather stripping, and on and on. EVERYTHING made noise constantly inside and out.

MAJOR paint issues( rust, chipping, and peeling ). This is the biggest gripe I have of any of it. The paint job was HORRENDOUS and was a real problem for 2005 and even 2006 on some colors( mine was one ). Found a paint peel along the bottom of the driver's front door, just THREE DAYS after buying it, while waxing. Dealer made ME buy touch up paint! Over the next few months I found more paint peeling and it began too chip like mad. Also started seeing rust appear. Dealer claimed they couldn't do anything about paint issues without authorization( fair enough ). MULTIPLE calls to the area rep and Toyota directly between Nov and Feb trying to get that miserable rotten rep to the dealer to look at the truck and authorize a paint job. He wouldn't call me back, he wouldn't call the dealer back( so they say ), and Toyota corporate would not make him nor get involved and help me.

That was it. I had enough. I should have gone Lemon Law on them but just wanted out of that turd on wheels ASAP so I visited the new Chevy dealership owned by the same family that owns the Dodge dealership my family has dealt with for decades. They made me a great deal so I traded the Tacoma on a new Silverado( Ext Cab LS 4WD 5.3L )that was 10X's the truck for the same money and even got the same MPG pretty much( within 1.5 MPG average but just as good highway ). What gets me is I paid more for that piece of [censored] Tacoma than I did the Dodge Ram( Quad Cab SLT 4WD 5.7L )I had before it and that Ram was a million times the vehicle in quality, reliability, and performance.

I made the mistake of panicking when gas prices spiked after Katrina and sold the Ram and got the Tacoma. Worst mistake I have ever made. I will NEVER buy a Toyota again. Hands down worst company and dealer base I have ever dealt with. After I sold that turd on wheels I wrote to Toyota corporate and spelled out all the problems and how angry I was. Not one single word in response from them. They just forwarded the letter back to the dealer. Unbelievable.

I know this was long and qualifies as a rant but I wanted people to understand just how bad things were and I got ZERO assistance from the dealer( or the other local dealer - next closest was an hour+ away; one way ). The area rep and the mfg themselves also would do NOTHING! Want a laugh? That dealer to this day still sends me mail and even tries to call and get me to come back and buy another Toyota.
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