Car & Driver on the Plaid

[DuckRyder]

C/D RS6 Avant:

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.1 sec
100 mph: 7.8 sec
130 mph: 13.6 sec
150 mph: 19.6 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.1 sec
1/4 mile: 11.5 sec @ 120 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 156 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 318 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g
Standing-start accel times omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.

C/D Plaid:

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 2.1 sec
100 mph: 4.3 sec
130 mph: 6.9 sec
1/4-Mile: 9.4 sec @ 151 mph
160 mph: 10.8 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 2.3 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 0.9 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 1.0 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 162 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 150 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 284 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.08 g

https://www.caranddriver.com/

Be interesting to see this numbers after 5 runs / stops. They did mention that the plaid id not limit power on back to back runs as they say previous models did.

Anyway...

 

[2EHA]

C/D RS6 Avant:


Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft

these guys are not credible or they were using the poverty base model. the urus tested out at 149 according to them

 

[DuckRyder]

these guys are not credible or they were using the poverty base model. the urus tested out at 149 according to them

It is not clear in a quick read if their test car had the optional carbon brakes.

I don't have a dog in the fight, anyone is welcome to find and post numbers...

 

[gregk24]

It's still a Tesla. By the way the Plaid model has issues with the brakes catching fire. There are 6 totaled ones heading to auction soon, if you want one. I'd take a Bugatti Chiron any day over a plaid. Shove a huge battery into a car with a torquey motor sure it's fast. The Chiron is a work of art.

Yes, it's not ALL about the numbers. What Tesla has done is incredible, but they do lack soul.

Furthermore, I am NOT looking forward to when a large percentage of people on the road are driving these things. Most people can't seem to control a 150 HP econobox, much less something like this! I see a lot of fatalities and serious injuries on the horizon as people don't exercise self control.

 

[Cujet]

I’ve said this many times, but I get to drive many of the worlds best cars. As I work for one of the worlds wealthiest people.
Those who claim Tesla somehow uses low quality suspension components or is somehow inferior mechanically to the major manufacturers are incorrect.

Furthermore, there is no way on earth a conventional engine transmission combo is somehow more luxurious, more responsive or dollar for dollar faster than what Tesla is producing.

The exotic European stuff may have better interiors. And to many, that really matters. But I generally look out the windows when I drive.

 

[edyvw]

garbage brakes with 4 piston fronts like it’s still 1989 and pads out of the autozone clearance section. this is the stuff you put on cars that run 13s not 9s

catching on fire and extreme brake fade is normal and acceptable if it was a plain jane base model m5 or e63. for a vehicle so fast, marketed around the ring times, and supposedly designed from the ground up to be driven recklessly it’s a complete joke.

all they had to do was pay up and get a copy of the rs6 and urus brake setup. now they want to charge 20k for a bbk

4 piston?
F30 328 M sport model has 4 piston brakes and 245hp.
Don’t worry, there are worshipers who will pay $20k for BBK. But in the end, they still get oversized iPad with steering wheel from 1960’s Citroen.

 

[edyvw]

Yes, it's not ALL about the numbers. What Tesla has done is incredible, but they do lack soul.

Furthermore, I am NOT looking forward to when a large percentage of people on the road are driving these things. Most people can't seem to control a 150 HP econobox, much less something like this! I see a lot of fatalities and serious injuries on the horizon as people don't exercise self control.

Let’s give them all 200mph car:

 

[JeffKeryk]

4 piston?
F30 328 M sport model has 4 piston brakes and 245hp.
Don’t worry, there are worshipers who will pay $20k for BBK. But in the end, they still get oversized iPad with steering wheel from 1960’s Citroen.

Our GS has 4 piston fixed calipers. And they squeak. But only when cold, thanks to the Lexus TSB pad. But the Textar pads had better bite.

 

[edyvw]

Our GS has 4 piston fixed calipers. And they squeak. But only when cold, thanks to the Lexus TSB pad. But the Textar pads had better bite.

Your Lexus doesn’t go 200mph or accelerate 9.2sec 1/4qt mile.
Not sure what compound Lexus required from Textar. Textar provides brakes for BMW, MB etc. but they don’t squeak and they bite hard.
Lexus probably moved to Akebono garbage.

 

[2EHA]

4 piston?
F30 328 M sport model has 4 piston brakes and 245hp.
Don’t worry, there are worshipers who will pay $20k for BBK. But in the end, they still get oversized iPad with steering wheel from 1960’s Citroen.

of course it has also has a 1 piston sliding rear out of a hyundai. vag and bmw and mercedes are guilty of cheaping out on that too, too poor to afford a parking brake caliper. only cadillac and porsche use fixed rears on sedans these days

 

[edyvw]

of course it has also has a 1 piston sliding rear out of a hyundai. vag and bmw and mercedes are guilty of cheaping out on that too, too poor to afford a parking brake caliper. only cadillac and porsche use fixed rears these days

I think all M BMW’s and M340 etc. come with fixed on the rear. I bet MB does same.
But to put 4 piston in front on such vehicle and sliding caliper in rear is utter stupidity and negligence.

 

[slo town]

Let’s give them all 200mph car:

When Doug Demuro tested the Plaid he expressed concern that some of the owners might not be capable of safely controlling such a vehicle. He said that when people buy a Lambo, Ferrari, etc., they are purposely buying a high performance vehicle, and presumably know what to expect. On the contrary, many Plaid owners are probably the commuter types. I think his words are right on.

Scott

PS That video is scary in many ways.

 

[2EHA]

I think all M BMW’s and M340 etc. come with fixed on the rear. I bet MB does same.
But to put 4 piston in front on such vehicle and sliding caliper in rear is utter stupidity and negligence.

everything that doesn't have a handbrake is moving over, M3 and M4 went electric this year. brembo makes brakes with built in EPB but nobody wants to pay for them

 

[RhondaHonda]

C/D RS6 Avant:

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.1 sec
100 mph: 7.8 sec
130 mph: 13.6 sec
150 mph: 19.6 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.1 sec
1/4 mile: 11.5 sec @ 120 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 156 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 318 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g
Standing-start accel times omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.

C/D Plaid:

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 2.1 sec
100 mph: 4.3 sec
130 mph: 6.9 sec
1/4-Mile: 9.4 sec @ 151 mph
160 mph: 10.8 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 2.3 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 0.9 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 1.0 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 162 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 150 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 284 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.08 g

https://www.caranddriver.com/

Be interesting to see this numbers after 5 runs / stops. They did mention that the plaid id not limit power on back to back runs as they say previous models did.

Anyway...

I’m curious too what they’d do after a few hard stops but those numbers are pretty respectable. The $20k carbon brake kit seems like a no-brainer. The 0-130 mph time of 6.9 seconds is just mind blowing.

 

[edyvw]

everything that doesn't have a handbrake is moving over, M3 and M4 went electric this year. brembo makes brakes with built in EPB but nobody wants to pay for them

How much is fixed in the rear?

 

[97prizm]

I hate to say it but Tesla to this day still has double the industry average for defects on new production vehicles. Plus this kicker "Tesla is warning that its new Model S Plaid won’t hit its advertised 200 mph top speed at launch since it will need a tire and wheel upgrade this fall." I said this years ago. The model S is a porker at 5200 pounds. There's no "over the air updates" that can fix this.

 

[PimTac]

Tesla is warning that its new Model S Plaid won’t hit its advertised 200 mph top speed at launch since it will need a tire and wheel upgrade this fall.

Not only that, it’s illegal to drive at that speed.

 

[mightymousetech]

4 piston?
F30 328 M sport model has 4 piston brakes and 245hp.
Don’t worry, there are worshipers who will pay $20k for BBK. But in the end, they still get oversized iPad with steering wheel from 1960’s Citroen.

Although, I really hate when people think the number of brake pistons is the be-all, end all. It really doesn’t matter. My 135i has 6 piston front brake calipers. One of the best braking mods is to install the front brakes from a 1M, which has a grand total of ONE piston. The rotor diameter and thickness is SIGNIFICANTLY more important.

 

[UncleDave]

these guys are not credible or they were using the poverty base model. the urus tested out at 149 according to them

Whats the poverty model cost?

 

[edyvw]

Although, I really hate when people think the number of brake pistons is the be-all, end all. It really doesn’t matter. My 135i has 6 piston front brake calipers. One of the best braking mods is to install the front brakes from a 1M, which has a grand total of ONE piston. The rotor diameter and thickness is SIGNIFICANTLY more important.

There are problems with both on 135 or 1M. Single piston on such a large rotor cannot distribute force properly. That is why BMW moved to 4 pistons ATE on new, less powerful models. Single piston has some advantages, mostly bcs. pads can be cooled off better. But, fixed calipers are better in applying appropriate force on the rotor.
Rotor thickness matter only during serious tracking. If rotor becomes issue that means pads are probably race worthy. Pads are going to be an issue far earlier than rotor.
On 135 Brembo really didn’t execute front brakes well. Ceramic pistons cannot take too much heat, and they are known to fail on track. Stop Tech offers stainless steel upgrade. In addition, they are super heavy. 15lbs per caliper.
I thought to get them to upgrade my 328, but went F30 front bcs. weight and pistons and 135 calipers in the back.