Can people see this enough to learn ?

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ragtoplvr
Now they have cable barriers that are absolutely positively guarinteed to kill any motorcyclist that hits or is forced into one. If you hit with your car, it will suck the car in and total it on the spot. Bad bad bad these are. your only possible way to survive is jump if you are forced into one.

Rod


Yep, those cable barriers should be outlawed - very dangerous to cyclists. Wonder if any lawsuits have happened over them?

 

[dnewton3]

Please keep the misogyny, etc out of this.

I can attest after 23 years as a Deputy that stupidity behind the wheel knows no bounds of gender, race, age, education, nationality, orientation, size, hair-color, etc ...

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: ragtoplvr
Now they have cable barriers that are absolutely positively guarinteed to kill any motorcyclist that hits or is forced into one. If you hit with your car, it will suck the car in and total it on the spot. Bad bad bad these are. your only possible way to survive is jump if you are forced into one.

Rod


Yep, those cable barriers should be outlawed - very dangerous to cyclists. Wonder if any lawsuits have happened over them?

Solutions always involve compromise. For x dollars you can save more people by providing more barriers. If it saves more people than the equivalent amount of dollars its a win situation.

I assume you are for requiring all motorcyclists wearing Snell approved helmets..wait..you probably are not.

BTW if you ever rode a MC you would know its impossible to jump off while you are riding it lol.

 

[PimTac]

Up here in my neck of the woods, the increase in accidents is not only due to drivers who cannot let go of their smart device but also those who are under the influence of MJ now that it’s available legally. In the past few years I’ve seen or heard of so many unusual accidents that it makes me wonder.

 

[DeafBrad]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Please keep the misogyny, etc out of this.

I can attest after 23 years as a Deputy that stupidity behind the wheel knows no bounds of gender, race, age, education, nationality, orientation, size, hair-color, etc ...



Also, I suspect this is nothing new. I would guess during medieval times people were "driving" the same way. Entering the path and cutting off people, walking slower than the people behind them, road raging, etc. People are people.

 

[JLTD]

Originally Posted By: Al

Solutions always involve compromise. For x dollars you can save more people by providing more barriers. If it saves more people than the equivalent amount of dollars its a win situation.

I assume you are for requiring all motorcyclists wearing Snell approved helmets..wait..you probably are not.


By the same logic, governments would be using another chemical to melt other than salt....they are not. There's a commercially available chemical that melts snow just as well, does not rust anything nor ruin the environment, but it's more expensive.


Originally Posted By: Al

BTW if you ever rode a MC you would know its impossible to jump off while you are riding it lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UTHHiEuL6w

Of course it usually looks like this first guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvVBQuV_sag

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: JLTD

By the same logic, governments would be using another chemical to melt other than salt....they are not. There's a commercially available chemical that melts snow just as well, does not rust anything nor ruin the environment, but it's more expensive.

What am I missing. The wire is cheaper and thus the gov is using it and the benefit is that more lives are saved bc for the same $$$ they protect more roads.

 

[mk378]

I don't think any new wire is being put up. The only place I've seen wire is in the center median. So yes hit that wire and you're dead, but at least you won't head-on someone on the other side.

 

[Blaze]

One benefit of living out of cell phone range is I don't even own one and thus no worry of texting/driving.

BTW I was in my truck not too long ago and pulling up to the light I looked over to check the writing/company on the door and noticed the semi driver next to me was steering with his elbows and...texting away!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: ragtoplvr
Now they have cable barriers that are absolutely positively guarinteed to kill any motorcyclist that hits or is forced into one. If you hit with your car, it will suck the car in and total it on the spot. Bad bad bad these are. your only possible way to survive is jump if you are forced into one.

Rod


Yep, those cable barriers should be outlawed - very dangerous to cyclists. Wonder if any lawsuits have happened over them?

Solutions always involve compromise. For x dollars you can save more people by providing more barriers. If it saves more people than the equivalent amount of dollars its a win situation.

I assume you are for requiring all motorcyclists wearing Snell approved helmets..wait..you probably are not.

BTW if you ever rode a MC you would know its impossible to jump off while you are riding it lol.


No helmet in the world is going to prevent a wire rope barrier from ripping a body apart. Not a "win situation" for motorcyclists.

 

[gfh77665]

Motorcyclists assume the risk when they choose to ride. No one forces a bike on them. They COULD choose to be in a top safety rated vehicle with crumple zones and airbags, instead.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Motorcyclists assume the risk when they choose to ride. No one forces a bike on them. They COULD choose to be in a top safety rated vehicle with crumple zones and airbags, instead.


Well, it doesn't help when the highway department uses barriers that have way more killing potential than another design. Maybe they should put big long spikes on the ends of guard rails so it instantly kills anyone who hits it head-on with a car. Or maybe they should just leave guard rails off of bridges so if a car goes over it plunges 1/4 mile down into the woods. I could come up with may more examples.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, it doesn't help when the highway department uses barriers that have way more killing potential than another design. Maybe they should put big long spikes on the ends of guard rails so it instantly kills anyone who hits it head-on with a car. Or maybe they should just leave guard rails off of bridges so if a car goes over it plunges 1/4 mile down into the woods. I could come up with may more examples.

Cost vs benefit. The benefit is more lives saved per dollar spent..seriously do you understand that? I am really curious...honest.

Lets assume that the cost of steel barriers per mile is 1.4 times the cost of cable. Lets assume the death rate per mile of steel barrier is one life per 10 miles per 10 years and the death rate of cable is one life every 9 miles per 10 years. and the death rate for no barriers is one death for every 5 miles per 10 years.

lets assume the cost of 100 miles of steel barrier is 1 million. Naturally the cost of 100 miles of cable is .72 million.

So with one million we have 140 miles of cable with 140/9 or 16 deaths deaths in 10 years.
With steel barriers we have 10 + 40 miles of no barriers=8 or 18 deaths.
See my point. Non engineer liberals would just say money is no object...if that's so put bubble wrap at a cost of 1 million per mile.

BTW Your presumption (and mine is wrong) steel cables may be safer than concrete or steel and yes it still may suck to be a motorcyclist. Its the risk you take...wait..why don't we have rubber roads? I do ride MC btw.

 

[gfh77665]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, it doesn't help when the highway department uses barriers that have way more killing potential than another design. Maybe they should put big long spikes on the ends of guard rails so it instantly kills anyone who hits it head-on with a car. Or maybe they should just leave guard rails off of bridges so if a car goes over it plunges 1/4 mile down into the woods. I could come up with may more examples.


You can't control what the highway department does from coast to coast. You CAN control your decisions. You should choose to stay off your bike, if the risks are too much for you. Its as simple as that.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well, it doesn't help when the highway department uses barriers that have way more killing potential than another design. Maybe they should put big long spikes on the ends of guard rails so it instantly kills anyone who hits it head-on with a car. Or maybe they should just leave guard rails off of bridges so if a car goes over it plunges 1/4 mile down into the woods. I could come up with may more examples.

Cost vs benefit. The benefit is more lives saved per dollar spent..seriously do you understand that? I am really curious...honest.


Yeah, I understand it ... and it's wrong regardless of how bean counters try to justify it based on cost.

Also, I've seen reported accidents where a cable barrier in the median did not stop a vehicle from breaking through it and going into the opposite lanes ... it happens quite often that those cheap wire rope barriers don't always work as intended.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, it doesn't help when the highway department uses barriers that have way more killing potential than another design. Maybe they should put big long spikes on the ends of guard rails so it instantly kills anyone who hits it head-on with a car. Or maybe they should just leave guard rails off of bridges so if a car goes over it plunges 1/4 mile down into the woods. I could come up with may more examples.

You can't control what the highway department does from coast to coast. You CAN control your decisions. You should choose to stay off your bike, if the risks are too much for you. Its as simple as that.


Don't worry ... I know the risks of riding, been doing it for 40 years. But I don't like people like the highway department using something like cable barriers to supposedly save cost that are obviously much more dangerous to motorcyclists. Not very hard to grasp.

 

[yeti]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, it doesn't help when the highway department uses barriers that have way more killing potential than another design. Maybe they should put big long spikes on the ends of guard rails so it instantly kills anyone who hits it head-on with a car. Or maybe they should just leave guard rails off of bridges so if a car goes over it plunges 1/4 mile down into the woods. I could come up with may more examples.

Cost vs benefit. The benefit is more lives saved per dollar spent..seriously do you understand that? I am really curious...honest.

Lets assume that the cost of steel barriers per mile is 1.4 times the cost of cable. Lets assume the death rate per mile of steel barrier is one life per 10 miles per 10 years and the death rate of cable is one life every 9 miles per 10 years. and the death rate for no barriers is one death for every 5 miles per 10 years.

lets assume the cost of 100 miles of steel barrier is 1 million. Naturally the cost of 100 miles of cable is .72 million.

So with one million we have 140 miles of cable with 140/9 or 16 deaths deaths in 10 years.
With steel barriers we have 10 + 40 miles of no barriers=8 or 18 deaths.
See my point. Non engineer liberals would just say money is no object...if that's so put bubble wrap at a cost of 1 million per mile.

BTW Your presumption (and mine is wrong) steel cables may be safer than concrete or steel and yes it still may suck to be a motorcyclist. Its the risk you take...wait..why don't we have rubber roads? I do ride MC btw.



al makes good points.cost is always an issue.
put aside cost, and cable barrier dangers for a minute.cable, steel beam, barrels, cement -- driving into these at high speed, on a bike, will be fatal. period.the odds are astronomical one will survive such a crash.if initial impact does not break up most bones, and internal organs, one's body will likely end up near the oncoming traffic, in several pieces.
any accident, without a barrier impact, on a bike will almost certainly end in death, at high speed.since one has no structural protection, death is almost always a certainty.

back on topic -- anyone that dies in a vehicle crash,due to phone use, deserves his/her fate. natural selection.no sympathy from me. one can only hope that no innocent lives were lost, and that reproduction did not occur, bringing more stupid people into the world.