Can I use Pennzoil Platinum 5w40 A3/b4 in my diesel truck?

[edyvw]

That is interesting! No exceptions for RV's you camp in? Here in the states there are mostly no limits to towing an RV but if towing for commercial purposes must get commercial license if GVWR is over 26,000 lbs. or towing a trailer with over 10,000 lbs GVWR. I'm sure they are great engines for their intended purpose.

RV’s in Europe are far different than here.

 

[edyvw]

None of those are commercial engines nor do they need to pull 20,000=9071.9kg-25,000 lbs.=11340kg
Ford wants their F1 specification based on CK-4 oil. More additives are required than what PP provides, along with HT/HS, lower viscosity break down, etc.

They are not commercial engines by choice. They are expensive. They don’t lack power, that is for sure!
Those trucks can tow much more not because engines are stronger, but because they are body on frame and have construction built for that purpose.
If anything, choice of oil for BMW 3.0ltr turbo diesel with 4 turbos is far more important than for Ford PSD.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I have a bunch (18quarts) of PP 5W-40 Euro Oil. Can I use it in my 6.0 Powerstroke? From my research, it’s pretty robust oil. My EGR and Cat fell off already so I’m not worried about affecting those systems.

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If you decide not to and don't want to just throw it I'd offer you very little for it to use in all my random equipment and boat lol

 

[fantastic]

They are not commercial engines by choice. They are expensive. They don’t lack power, that is for sure!
Those trucks can tow much more not because engines are stronger, but because they are body on frame and have construction built for that purpose.
If anything, choice of oil for BMW 3.0ltr turbo diesel with 4 turbos is far more important than for Ford PSD.

OP has a 6.0L Power Stroke, He needs an HDEO. I don't care how everyone wants to spin how great European engines are. That is not relevant to what is needed here.

 

[fantastic]

RV’s in Europe are far different than here.

Yes, they take a more scaled down approach. (lighter weight)

 

[fantastic]

CK-4 viscosity breakdown is not as atrict as MB229.5.
Additives on PPE 5W40 are designed for light duty diesel engines (hence B4 designation).
HTHS in PPE is 3.88cP from KV100 of 13.3cst.

OP needs an HDEO. Surely, you understand that but here you are making excuses?

 

[Kalle.J]

OP needs an HDEO. Surely, you understand that but here you are making excuses?

What differs API CF from HDEO?

 

[Bjornviken]

I have a bunch (18quarts) of PP 5W-40 Euro Oil. Can I use it in my 6.0 Powerstroke? From my research, it’s pretty robust oil. My EGR and Cat fell off already so I’m not worried about affecting those systems.

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i don't think there will be any issues. That oil will perform better in many areas vs a hdeo oil. But if your engine produces much soot. Maybe a hdeo would be a better choice

 

[edyvw]

OP needs an HDEO. Surely, you understand that but here you are making excuses?

Engine doesn’t understand difference in designations.
I am not sure you understand that PPE is absolutely ok in that engine, if not preferable.

 

[edyvw]

OP has a 6.0L Power Stroke, He needs an HDEO. I don't care how everyone wants to spin how great European engines are. That is not relevant to what is needed here.

Did you talk to local PSD and he told you that? That only oil canister labeled HDEO is ok.
PPE exceeds CF requirements, those that were current when 6.0 PSD was introduced.

 

[userfriendly]

Engine doesn’t understand difference in designations.
I am not sure you understand that PPE is absolutely ok in that engine, if not preferable.

Especially since the EGR valve fell off.
I’ve been sitting on my hands for two days waiting for someone to post the correct answer.

 

[fantastic]

What differs API CF from HDEO?

API CF must be a very old spec? Just searched it up & CF-4 was an old diesel spec from 1994! HDEO's are a category of Heavy Duty Engine Oil's. I've already given a few examples of the differences between Euro PCMO & HDEO.

HDEO stands for Heavy Duty Engine Oil. Here's a breakdown:

• Purpose:
  • HDEOs are specifically formulated to meet the demanding needs of heavy-duty diesel engines.These engines are commonly found in:
    • Trucks
    • Buses
    • Construction equipment
    • Agricultural machinery
    • Industrial equipment
• Key Characteristics:
  • These oils are designed to withstand:
    • High operating temperatures
    • Heavy loads
    • Extended operating periods
  • They contain additives that help to:
    • Control soot and deposits
    • Prevent wear
    • Resist oxidation
    • Maintain viscosity.
  • They are also designed to work with modern emission control systems.
• In essence, HDEOs are engineered to provide superior protection and performance in the harsh operating conditions of heavy-duty diesel engines

 

[fantastic]

Engine doesn’t understand difference in designations.
I am not sure you understand that PPE is absolutely ok in that engine, if not preferable.

Did you talk to local PSD and he told you that? That only oil canister labeled HDEO is ok.
PPE exceeds CF requirements, those that were current when 6.0 PSD was introduced.

Engine absolutely understand the difference between an PCMO & HDEO w/proper specification oil. Engine testing means something. Go look at the second post where I pointed the OP to two different F1 spec'd diesel oil. Ford back spec'd all Power Strokes to F1 but you must not know that. Also, the 6.0L was never spec'd for CF so not sure why you say that. That being said your PPE exceeds CF is moot.

OP: You've gotten all sorts of advice but I'll tell you this. I'm not going to tell you to use un-approved oil for your 6.0L. I own one too & I'd never recommend you to use a ACEA Euro oil over an HDEO w/proper specifications. That being Fords F1 spec. There are folks here who obviously would rather try to prove a point then to steer you in the right direction. It's the unfortunate reality of forums.

 

[edyvw]

Engine absolutely understand the difference between an PCMO & HDEO w/proper specification oil. Engine testing means something. Go look at the second post where I pointed the OP to two different F1 spec'd diesel oil. Ford back spec'd all Power Strokes to F1 but you must not know that. Also, the 6.0L was never spec'd for CF so not sure why you say that. That being said your PPE exceeds CF is moot.

OP: You've gotten all sorts of advice but I'll tell you this. I'm not going to tell you to use un-approved oil for your 6.0L. I own one too & I'd never recommend you to use a ACEA Euro oil over an HDEO w/proper specifications. That being Fords F1 spec. There are folks here who obviously would rather try to prove a point then to steer you in the right direction. It's the unfortunate reality of forums.

What is moot? Like how is moot? What does that mean?
You listed that HDEO has higher HTHS (it doesn’t). You listed shearing (actually no C or F sequence is nearly as stringent as MB229.5). He has 18qt of one of the best oils available anywhere in the world with Noack of 5.7%, something no HDEO can deliver. And your recommendation is SuperTech? I guess it is progress from Triax.
As far as I am concerned he can use sunflower oil in it, but using PPE in one or two OCI, especially one without emission equipment is ok. Now, I would really like to know exact reason why supertech is better.

 

[edyvw]

API CF must be a very old spec? Just searched it up & CF-4 was an old diesel spec from 1994! HDEO's are a category of Heavy Duty Engine Oil's. I've already given a few examples of the differences between Euro PCMO & HDEO.

HDEO stands for Heavy Duty Engine Oil. Here's a breakdown:

• Purpose:
  • HDEOs are specifically formulated to meet the demanding needs of heavy-duty diesel engines.These engines are commonly found in:
    • Trucks
    • Buses
    • Construction equipment
    • Agricultural machinery
    • Industrial equipment
• Key Characteristics:
  • These oils are designed to withstand:
    • High operating temperatures
    • Heavy loads
    • Extended operating periods
  • They contain additives that help to:
    • Control soot and deposits
    • Prevent wear
    • Resist oxidation
    • Maintain viscosity.
  • They are also designed to work with modern emission control systems.
• In essence, HDEOs are engineered to provide superior protection and performance in the harsh operating conditions of heavy-duty diesel engines

And I already told you that no HDEO doesn’t have higher HTHS, doesn’t have less shearing and absolutely doesn’t have noack as low as PPE.
And everything you listed here are basic functions of ANY oil.

 

[fantastic]

You listed that HDEO has higher HTHS (it doesn’t). I guess it is progress from Triax.
As far as I am concerned he can use sunflower oil in it, but using PPE in one or two OCI, especially one without emission equipment is ok. Now, I would really like to know exact reason why supertech is better.

Yes, Triax is good oil. Thanks for bringing it up.

And I already told you that no HDEO doesn’t have higher HTHS, doesn’t have less shearing and absolutely doesn’t have noack as low as PPE.

That is not true, Viscosity grades have different HTHS minimums. 15w-40, as an example, has higher HTHS minimum requirement of 3.7 & a 5w-40 only has to meet 3.5 HTHS minimum. Again, Your incorrect & there is an HDEO viscosity that does require higher HTHS minimum no matter how much you claim it's not true.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/how-is-hths-measured.392478/#post-7156689

 

[Plumb Bob]

There's a member on here that ran M1 0W-40 in his CAT 31** with no issues. Saw it posted somewhere.

 

[edyvw]

Yes, Triax is good oil. Thanks for bringing it up.

That is not true, Viscosity grades have different HTHS minimums. 15w-40, as an example, has higher HTHS minimum requirement of 3.7 & a 5w-40 only has to meet 3.5 HTHS minimum. Again, Your incorrect & there is an HDEO viscosity that does require higher HTHS minimum no matter how much you claim it's not true.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/how-is-hths-measured.392478/#post-7156689

Minimum requirement is different from actual HTHS. And I already told you that oil in question has HTHS 3.88cP and will retain it better than any HDEO.
No HDEO has shear stability requirements like MB229.5.

 

[fantastic]

Minimum requirement is different from actual HTHS. And I already told you that oil in question has HTHS 3.88cP and will retain it better than any HDEO.
No HDEO has shear stability requirements like MB229.5.

Those 15w-40's are at 4.0 or higher. Even the Delvac Extreme 15w-40 is 4.1 HTHS. That IS better than the PPE no matter how much you say it's not. To top it off that oil meets specification. Tell me what Heavy diesel OEM tested the PPE for their engines? Show us that this PPE has been tested with proper Heavy Duty Engine requirements.

 

[Kalle.J]

Those 15w-40's are at 4.0 or higher. Even the Delvac Extreme 15w-40 is 4.1 HTHS. That IS better than the PPE no matter how much you say it's not. Tell me what Heavy diesel OEM tested the PPE for their engines? Show us that this PPE has been tested with proper Heavy Duty Engine requirements.

3.5HTHS is the F1 requirement is it not?
11.8% Noack

http://pqiadata.org/Ford_Motorcraft__SDF_10W30.html