C&D Small SUV Comparo

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Originally Posted By: sciphi
My folks had wagons when I was growing up. My family managed to stuff 2 kids, 2 adults and a medium-size dog into whatever wagon we had throughout the years to go on vacations or the like. They were also handy to have around.

I'd rather have a long-roof car than a small SUV or minivan.


I grew up in a wagon, and love wagons, but the versatility of current wagons is pretty low. The cargo area of even a small SUV like ours is much taller than a station wagon. It's a bit shorter, but I've always preferred height over depth. I can put a lawn mower into the back of mine without even folding the handle. I've hauled an upright dresser in the back and only had to fold one side of the 40/20/40 rear seat. Couldn't do that in a station wagon. A family friend recently bought an Outback, and it's a very nice car. But the roof is so low, all you can haul in the back are suit cases and grocery bags.

I also prefer sitting taller and more upright. Regrettably, most sedans and small wagons these days give you a lower or more laid-back sitting position in the seat (due to the lower roofs). I prefer a more natural seating position, and SUVs deliver.

We've actually gone to two SUVs from two minivans. In terms of gross cubic feet, the minivans obviously hold more inside, but we never used all of that space. Our 265-hp AWD SUV gives us about the same fuel economy as the minivan, and is far more engaging to drive and offers far better all-weather capability than the minivan did.

SUVs aren't for everyone, but after so many years not owning any, we finally discovered that they certainly are the vehicle type for us.
 
Why on earth would brakes wear out before 100k? I had a half-worn front pad rust off at 175kmiles. I warp rotors faster than I wear out pads...
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Tires OTOH I've never figured out; 40k and they're toast. Truck tires must be beefier or something.

200k is the new "forever"? I can hit that in 8 years. Which is just as well, given NH road salt. I'm not sure I "trust" older vehicles as much as I used to. What is "major" repairs anyhow? I've done wheel bearings (105k), struts (133k), clutch (249k) and turbo (259k) on my car--I suspect only the struts in that list is properly "routine", the rest "repairs". [Oh, rear calipers and a couple sets of rotors.]

I appreciate the conversation. Every few months I try to decide if it's time to trade out of my car, if I've gotten my money's worth out of it, if it's time to move on before it costs too much to carry on. I'd like to go lowest TCO, but I just can't: you can't trust used cars, and I don't work on cars anymore. But at 2 hours a day in the blasted thing I don't want a penalty box either.

Speaking of cheap, my VW only needs alignments when the front end comes apart (struts, clutch). The Camry needed an alignment after only one year! It also went though a set of tires in that time. I'm starting to think it's a bit more cheaply made than my VW--I'm starting to think if I knocked the rust of the Jetta it might outlast the Toyota!
 
Your mileage alone shows that the car has been doing its job. The repairs you listed all seem reasonable given the amount of miles put on the car in 8 years.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd

I grew up in a wagon, and love wagons, but the versatility of current wagons is pretty low. The cargo area of even a small SUV like ours is much taller than a station wagon. It's a bit shorter, but I've always preferred height over depth. I can put a lawn mower into the back of mine without even folding the handle. I've hauled an upright dresser in the back and only had to fold one side of the 40/20/40 rear seat. Couldn't do that in a station wagon. A family friend recently bought an Outback, and it's a very nice car. But the roof is so low, all you can haul in the back are suit cases and grocery bags.

I also prefer sitting taller and more upright. Regrettably, most sedans and small wagons these days give you a lower or more laid-back sitting position in the seat (due to the lower roofs). I prefer a more natural seating position, and SUVs deliver.

We've actually gone to two SUVs from two minivans. In terms of gross cubic feet, the minivans obviously hold more inside, but we never used all of that space. Our 265-hp AWD SUV gives us about the same fuel economy as the minivan, and is far more engaging to drive and offers far better all-weather capability than the minivan did.

SUVs aren't for everyone, but after so many years not owning any, we finally discovered that they certainly are the vehicle type for us.


I rode in the backseat of the PT the other day. (Mother in law gets motion sickness in the back) I fit just fine at 6+ ft and it has a very upright seating position. Not all wagons are created equal.

I do have to fold the handle to get the mower in the Mazda but it fits just fine. There used to be a picture circulating of a Saab with a huge commercial riding mower stuffed into it's hatch.
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I've never been a big fan of any CUVs and now I own one, go figure.

A lot of it just comes down to people wanting to sit higher up and feel like they're in an SUV or truck. I think most CUV buyers aren't interested in towing capacity but everyone still needs AWD for whatever reason.

I find utility to be pretty similar to some sedans and no better than a wagon with everyday use. Then again I am coming from a vehicle known to not be the best actual cargo space.

I bought the Tiguan since I wanted more space than my 2-door Golf, it's a pretty refined car, it comes in a MT, it's fun to drive, and I got it for the same price I'd be looking at with a base Passat. For me it was a no brainer.
 
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Here's what I did the other weekend with my CUV. Couldn't do this in any sedan I used to own.

Those are 8 foot boards. I could have fit 10 footers in there if I needed to. The cargo area in the CR-V is so tall, the mower goes right in without folding the handle. Upright dressers can stand upright. The utility in these things is fantastic. If you choose to own just one type of vehicle, and live an active lifestyle, CUVs are hard to beat.

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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I rode in the backseat of the PT the other day. (Mother in law gets motion sickness in the back) I fit just fine at 6+ ft and it has a very upright seating position. Not all wagons are created equal.


Most definitely. The PT Cruiser is one notable exception. I'm not sure I even call it a "wagon", but I guess it is. By "wagon", I'm thinking of cars like the Mazda 6 wagon, the Acura TSX wagon, the VW Jetta wagon, the Subaru Outback, etc.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Here's what I did the other weekend with my CUV. Couldn't do this in any sedan I used to own.

Those are 8 foot boards.

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That's nothing. I used to haul those in my Subaru legacy wagon, and now recently in Prius hatchback.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Here's what I did the other weekend with my CUV. Couldn't do this in any sedan I used to own.


I can see how the height is helpful, but I think the key to carrying the boards in your picture is really the fold down front seat. Stuff like a dresser though, yeah, the height helps.

I suspect the most cargo most CUVs carry though is empty McDonalds bags and coffee cups.
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Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
I can see how the height is helpful, but I think the key to carrying the boards in your picture is really the fold down front seat. Stuff like a dresser though, yeah, the height helps.


Yeah, the height certainly wasn't used for that job, but I use it all the time for hauling lawn mowers and the like. Very versatile.
 
There are some sedans that one can fold flat the front passenger seat. In those cars, you could also carry 8' boards (some Fusions have this feature). In my Freestar, I used to be able to get 10' boards inside -- with the hatch closed.
 
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
There are some sedans that one can fold flat the front passenger seat. In those cars, you could also carry 8' boards (some Fusions have this feature). In my Freestar, I used to be able to get 10' boards inside -- with the hatch closed.

I can actually put a few 10' 2x4's inside the Neon with the trunk closed. They are sitting on the dash between the front seats but they're in there.
I have a set of roof racks that I put on for the canoe or longer materials. At this stage in the Neons life I wouldn't hesitate to strap a couch to its roof if I had too.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Here's what I did the other weekend with my CUV. Couldn't do this in any sedan I used to own.

Those are 8 foot boards. I could have fit 10 footers in there if I needed to.


Really? When we were redoing our basement last winter I had to make a few trips to Home Depot after work to pick up some studs and some trim. "Hauled" it in the SHO. Take a couple towels with you, fild the seats down and they went between the front seats. Wrap the end with the towel to protect the dash and another on the center console. I used to do similar things with the G35 although that had a "porthole" in the rear seats (they didn't fold).

Let me also say the roof rack of the wife's Escape also can move a bunch of drywall and plywood.
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I hesitated on posting the photo because I knew I'd get "really?" comments about it.

Correct, no sedan I've ever owned would haul that. (6) 2x6 boards 8' long and (3) 2x4 boards 8' long. That wouldn't fit between the front seats of any sedan I've owned. Maybe I've owned the wrong sedans.

Either way, that's just an example of stuff one can carry in an SUV that is either much harder or not possible in a sedan. You can't haul dressers in a sedan. It's very difficult to haul lawn mowers in a sedan. It's very difficult to put the baby's exer-saucer or whatever that thing is called in the back of a sedan. It's near impossible to travel with a large dog (ours is 80#) in a sedan and four other people/luggage.

I've owned many sedans. '97 Cadillac, '01 Cadillac, '07 Toyota, '11 Toyota...and they're just not for us anymore. If you're happy with your sedan, that's what counts for you.
 
I did find I could put trash cans (40 gallon Rubbermaid) into the back seat of a Lancer. I've never attempted that in any other car--I should say, any car that I've actually owned. I suppose trashcans would stand up in trunk, if you left the trunk propped open.
 
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People usually underestimate small cars, especially hatchbacks. A mountain bike fits inside my Prius with rear seats folded. Not that I carry it like that often, as I have a towing hitch bike carrier.

I also have a windglider that comfortably fits inside corolla trunk but doesn't fit well inside RAV4 unless I fold the rear seats or move them maximally to the front. Go figure.
 
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