Buy American?? How about you!!

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[Cousincletus, have you traded in your made in Taiwan computer for one of our Sun's yet, made in Oregon?



Where are the components made? I didn't think much in computers and parts were American made anymore. Dell supposedly slaps them together in the USA somewhere in TX. Please educate me a little more on ths issue as I seriously would consider buying my next computer from a fellow BITOGer even if we disagree on some other issues. Especially if you offer an American made product. What's Sun's website? Keeping jobs in America is everyone's responsibility.
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the buy American line is defintitely blurred. My pontiac vibe is made in the USA at NUMMI plant in California and a GM brand, but has toyota parts in it. Since GM/Toyota own 50% of the NUMMI plant. From what I understand, GM should get the profits from the vibe.
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have you traded in your made in Taiwan computer for one of our Sun's yet, made in Oregon?

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I'm actually pleasantly surprised and quite happy to purchase items made in Taiwan. Taiwanese goods are becoming harder to find these days. And I get all warm and fuzzy helping to support Taiwan's continued independence. I'd choose Taiwan made over made in China any day.
 
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[Cousincletus, have you traded in your made in Taiwan computer for one of our Sun's yet, made in Oregon?

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Where are the components made? I didn't think much in computers and parts were American made anymore. Dell supposedly slaps them together in the USA somewhere in TX. Please educate me a little more on ths issue as I seriously would consider buying my next computer from a fellow BITOGer even if we disagree on some other issues. Especially if you offer an American made product. What's Sun's website? Keeping jobs in America is everyone's responsibility.
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More of the same from you I see...
Where are the parts for your Dear Ford/GM/Chrysler cars made.
Oops - Chrysler is a German company now, isn't it?
Funny thing is - of the BIg Three, I'd probably buy a Chrysler before Ford/GM - their new owners do better than the old ones did.

Anyway. Guys like you with your phony flag-waving are going the way of the
Sinclair Dinosaur...maybe someday you'll contribute to a good gallon of Hi-test Ethel.
 
Globalization is here to stay; it's real, it's happening, and the USA is at it's epicenter. I've got my own opinions as to what globalization is really all about, but a few people buying quote on quote "domestic" automobiles here in the US is not going to stop it or help those domestics out. Not when Japanese automobiles have rightfully gained such a reputation for producing superior products (even with the sludge and recalls). US consumers, especially when it comes to cars, buy in their own self interest (just as HUGE multi-national corps have perpetuated globalization - for their own self interest). And they are buying Japanese cars more and more because to them, the consumer, they're getting a better product.

I'm a bit of an isolationist; I see the sovereignty of quote on quote "states or countries" slowly being threatened, especially the US, but the writing is on the wall folks. It'll take way more extreme measures to stop it then simply a handful of folks trying to buy "American". But I do sympathize and support with the reasons behind the effort.

Or maybe I'm just a loony whackjob in my notions of the world.
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I'm a bit of an isolationist; I see the sovereignty of quote on quote "states or countries" slowly being threatened, especially the US, but the writing is on the wall folks. It'll take way more extreme measures to stop it then simply a handful of folks trying to buy "American". But I do sympathize and support with the reasons behind the effort.

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I'm with you there Drew, but I also think it's too late and just time to figure out how best to take advantage of it and survive.

We've given away too much, and it IS too late to get it back. I'm not talking about cars here but everything. Immigration, outsourcing, etc.

Sorry, but if I have to spend MY money on a car, it's going to be for the best I can afford and what I think will give me the best value.
When they find a brain-tumor, I might feel differently and just get a Viper to end my days, but until then, Ford/GM - get your *hit together or no sale.
 
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Fortunately (or not as may be the case) "Buying American" is becoming outdated as the knuckleheads that shout it.
No Harley is made with 100% "American" parts.
GM/Ford make THEIR vehicles outside of the US.
I will take a Japanese owned company any day that knows how to make good vehicles and employs AMERICANS by the 10's of thousands and whom have a better chance to retire with some money rather than eating dog food.

Nothing will make (or break) a better "American Auto Maker" than a good dose of competition - that's what this country is about - isn't it???

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I have to agree.
Is one car more "american" than another because of the name?

On another forum I got into a discussion with another member who said I had "no American pride". It's hard to have American pride when I open the hood of my "American made SUV" and the first thing I see is "Made in Mexico" stamped on the headlight assemblies.

Also, the "Big 3" are all literally in bed with the Japanese car makers - or "joint ventures" as they call it. The Pontiac Vibe with Toyota engine and parts. Ford had the Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest. Chrysler has used Mitsubishi engines for years. There are many other examples . . .
Here's another good one.
"Changan Automotive Group, Ford Motor Company, and Mazda Motor Corporation today announced that the three partners have signed a joint venture contract for a new engine plant in the Jiangning Economic and Technological Development Zone (NJDZ) at Nanjing, in the Jiangsu Province of eastern China."

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=20684

So in a few years look for Ford engines to have "Made in China" on them?
 
Let me start by saying that I'm not any sort of Communist or Kofe Annan lover, but...

Here in the US (perhaps the Western Industrialized world for that matter) we've been enjoying an artificially high standard of living, gained at the expense of the developing world. I think the time is coming to pay up.

Maybe when everybody has a Chinese-made Ford, there won't be any more wars
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Personally, I would not buy a GM, Ford or Chrysler product no matter what rebates they offer. It is just a matter of choice and being sensible to read consumer reports Japanese auto makers produce better products that the American manufactures.

Having said that not all folks who buy non-American vehicles are sensible, I know a bunch of id.ots who own MB and service them at JiffyLube, over and above the fact that MB is last on the long term reliability ratings by JD Power.

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The only way that I would buy a GM, Daimler (Chrysler is a division of Daimler, there was no merger, it was a buyout) or Ford vehicle would be if they made a vehicle I would actually like to drive (e.g. similar to the Toyota Avalon while beating it in fuel economy, reliability, acceleration and interior design, with such features like the logical stickshift that Toyota had on the first and second generation Avalons) and would be willing to stand behind it with at the very least a hassle-free 15 year unlimited mile warranty without any loopholes that let them off the hook for poor workmanship. Until they do that, I will not consider considering them.
 
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I only buy GM or Ford products. I prefer GM. As an American. That is a engineer who was born in the United States of America, speaks english, and has had 7 generations of my family live contribute and fight for what we all hold dear here I reason it like this. GM and ford engineer their cars here for US tastes which I prefer. The high end technology stays in the US when I buy these cars. The engineers that design the cars, factories, parts, ect are generally based in the US. A production facility like an assembly plant is only maybe 10% of an automobile operations input into a country. Also after 911 I don't remember toyota jumping up to the plate to offer historically extroidanary (sp?) deals to keep the US economy afloat. The keep America moving deal has been credited with keeping the US mfg sector from cratering during that time. So buy what you want. That is your right. But study it a little closer and I think you will see that GM and Ford are critical to the US mfg economy. This is from a person who has done business with both GM, Ford, Toyota, and Honda during phases where they were building plants, parts and assy, in the US.

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People left GM,Ford for very simple reasons with quality being at the top. To say that America's economy is gravely dependant on GM and Ford is a reflection of the arrogant attitude that both of these two companies still cling to. Yes,the failure of one or both would definitly have a great impact on our country but we have been through a great deal worse than a car company going belly-up and we have recovered. They need to loose the arrogance and build QUALITY cars that people really want. Don't be so arrogant to expect people to pay their hard earned cash for a POS that you refuse to stand behind when it breaks every month. Make something that has more than a silly ad campain behind it and Americans will be glad to buy your cars.
Nobody need try to make me feel any guilt for not visiting GM/Ford dealer showrooms. I've been there and given them a chance. Money comes hard as #@$%! for me. I am going to get the best quality I can for my cash. Toyota/Honda has supplied many much needed jobs in right-to-work states like mine and that is really what #@$%! some people off. Get over it and build something that people who are buying Toyotas/Hondas want and they will come back.Until then,I'll continue to enjoy my American Toyotas and Hondas.
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...anyone else remember as a kid, going over to a friend's house to drool over the poster on his wall of that classic camry? ooh, or the accord?

talk about people wanting cars asian brands build, i mean asian brands building cars people want...
 
I drooled over my buddy's Acura NSX poster a lot! Same with the Supra, a vehicle that unquestionably has the stoutest power plant ever made for a production car. Can any domestic engine, after NEVER, and I mean, NEVER doing anything to the factory longblock, reliably make 1000 rear wheel horsepower? NOPE
 
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