Simplest way to keep paint and wheels in decent shape:
Keep it clean, keep it waxed.
Keep it clean, keep it waxed.
Brand new car: the simple way to keep paint and wheels in decent shape?
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Simplest way to keep paint and wheels in decent shape:
Keep it clean, keep it waxed.
Pretty much says it all.
Simplest way to keep paint and wheels in decent shape:
Keep it clean, keep it waxed.
Pretty much says it all.
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Unless you have the letters PhD after your name or can provide detailed reports from credible sources, it's all just a matter of opinions and mostly useless anecdotal evidence. Turtle Wax Ice products are as good or better than any other similar products out there. Prove me wrong. Please don't refer to what a handful of so-called "professional detailers" recommend... Not credible.
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Unless you have the letters PhD after your name or can provide detailed reports from credible sources, it's all just a matter of opinions and mostly useless anecdotal evidence. Turtle Wax Ice products are as good or better than any other similar products out there. Prove me wrong. Please don't refer to what a handful of so-called "professional detailers" recommend... Not credible.
Originally Posted by Toros
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Unless you have the letters PhD after your name or can provide detailed reports from credible sources, it's all just a matter of opinions and mostly useless anecdotal evidence. Turtle Wax Ice products are as good or better than any other similar products out there. Prove me wrong. Please don't refer to what a handful of so-called "professional detailers" recommend... Not credible.
That's Dr. Detail to you...and my time is billable at $500/hour so if you want proof...send me a Purchase Order for the first hour and we'll comply.
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Unless you have the letters PhD after your name or can provide detailed reports from credible sources, it's all just a matter of opinions and mostly useless anecdotal evidence. Turtle Wax Ice products are as good or better than any other similar products out there. Prove me wrong. Please don't refer to what a handful of so-called "professional detailers" recommend... Not credible.
That's Dr. Detail to you...and my time is billable at $500/hour so if you want proof...send me a Purchase Order for the first hour and we'll comply.
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by Toros
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Unless you have the letters PhD after your name or can provide detailed reports from credible sources, it's all just a matter of opinions and mostly useless anecdotal evidence. Turtle Wax Ice products are as good or better than any other similar products out there. Prove me wrong. Please don't refer to what a handful of so-called "professional detailers" recommend... Not credible.
That's Dr. Detail to you...and my time is billable at $500/hour so if you want proof...send me a Purchase Order for the first hour and we'll comply.
"We'll comply"? So there is an entire team of experts.
Originally Posted by Toros
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Unless you have the letters PhD after your name or can provide detailed reports from credible sources, it's all just a matter of opinions and mostly useless anecdotal evidence. Turtle Wax Ice products are as good or better than any other similar products out there. Prove me wrong. Please don't refer to what a handful of so-called "professional detailers" recommend... Not credible.
That's Dr. Detail to you...and my time is billable at $500/hour so if you want proof...send me a Purchase Order for the first hour and we'll comply.
"We'll comply"? So there is an entire team of experts.
Originally Posted by Toros
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
That's Dr. Detail to you...and my time is billable at $500/hour so if you want proof...send me a Purchase Order for the first hour and we'll comply.
"We'll comply"? So there is an entire team of experts.
Yes...a team...and our wise myriad of experience has taught us that "the check's in mail scam" isn't gonna fly to do anything for anyone.
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
That's Dr. Detail to you...and my time is billable at $500/hour so if you want proof...send me a Purchase Order for the first hour and we'll comply.
"We'll comply"? So there is an entire team of experts.
Yes...a team...and our wise myriad of experience has taught us that "the check's in mail scam" isn't gonna fly to do anything for anyone.
UV Sealant/Coating, keep it clean, and garaged.
Of course as others have said using the two-bucket method to wash it will keep marring to a minimum.
Heat/Cold slowly degrades plastic interior bits.
Of course as others have said using the two-bucket method to wash it will keep marring to a minimum.
Heat/Cold slowly degrades plastic interior bits.
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Simplest way to keep paint and wheels in decent shape:
Keep it clean, keep it waxed.
This.
Simplest way to keep paint and wheels in decent shape:
Keep it clean, keep it waxed.
This.
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Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Can the Chemical Guys Blazin Banana be used on exterior black plastics?
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Can the Chemical Guys Blazin Banana be used on exterior black plastics?
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Can the Chemical Guys Blazin Banana be used on exterior black plastics?
It is safe on there...but they don't promote it. It has been used on paint exteriors, glass, chrome, and black trim without any form of white or other residue when applied "wipe on, wipe off".
Originally Posted by HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted by GZRider
Seriously though, Turtle Wax Ice products are outstanding for the money.
Not if you want durability and real UV protection...Turtle Wax ICE UV protection only lasts about 30 days.
To answer the OP...
The best time to put on a solid protection that is on a new vehicle. You want not only shine, but protection and durability. Once you do your detailing for the first time...how often to do it again depends on the products you choose.
There are several good products you can use. Here is just one thread that describes some of the choices - there are other threads on this site as well. Don't get lost in the marketing hype on products...research the product details on composition and durability, as well as UV protection:
Detailing Twice Per Year
Can the Chemical Guys Blazin Banana be used on exterior black plastics?
It is safe on there...but they don't promote it. It has been used on paint exteriors, glass, chrome, and black trim without any form of white or other residue when applied "wipe on, wipe off".
Reunion Island, at 21 degrees North Latitude has tropical sun that will fry paint. I understand we all hope that the minor amount of UV protection in waxes will protect paint from degradation. The reality is that the type and quality of the paint are much more important than the wax.
Quote from an expert on the Meguires forum:
"Some waxes do contain UV-protection agents, but the amount of protection that a microscopically thin layer of wax can provide is limited
The primary goal of a wax is to protect the top layers of paint that contain UV-protection agents from the paint manufacture.
Don't be fooled by some companies that lead you to believe that it is the UV protection in a wax that protects your car's finish from fading and failure, this is dishonest and simply not true.
UV protection for paint is much different from UV blocking ingredients for human skin. The two formulas are nothing alike and work in drastically different ways. Sad to say, much of what you see advertised about the protective qualities of most car care products on the market today is simply over-exaggerated hype used to separate you from your hard earned dollars"
Quote from an expert on the Meguires forum:
"Some waxes do contain UV-protection agents, but the amount of protection that a microscopically thin layer of wax can provide is limited
The primary goal of a wax is to protect the top layers of paint that contain UV-protection agents from the paint manufacture.
Don't be fooled by some companies that lead you to believe that it is the UV protection in a wax that protects your car's finish from fading and failure, this is dishonest and simply not true.
UV protection for paint is much different from UV blocking ingredients for human skin. The two formulas are nothing alike and work in drastically different ways. Sad to say, much of what you see advertised about the protective qualities of most car care products on the market today is simply over-exaggerated hype used to separate you from your hard earned dollars"
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Originally Posted by Cujet
Reunion Island, at 21 degrees North Latitude has tropical sun that will fry paint. I understand we all hope that the minor amount of UV protection in waxes will protect paint from degradation. The reality is that the type and quality of the paint are much more important than the wax.
Quote from an expert on the Meguires forum:
"Some waxes do contain UV-protection agents, but the amount of protection that a microscopically thin layer of wax can provide is limited
The primary goal of a wax is to protect the top layers of paint that contain UV-protection agents from the paint manufacture.
Don't be fooled by some companies that lead you to believe that it is the UV protection in a wax that protects your car's finish from fading and failure, this is dishonest and simply not true.
UV protection for paint is much different from UV blocking ingredients for human skin. The two formulas are nothing alike and work in drastically different ways. Sad to say, much of what you see advertised about the protective qualities of most car care products on the market today is simply over-exaggerated hype used to separate you from your hard earned dollars"
Actually...the quality of the clear coat layer (not the paint) primarily impacts real UV protection.
While we are not in the same oven-type climate...it does get pretty hot here in summer time...and this process works well here. One good indicator of effectiveness of any UV protection is how headlight lens appear - there are plenty of them that yellow from the effects of dirt and UV damage. We have a 2013 Honda here that gets sealant UV protection, and the headlight lens on it still appear like brand new (crystal clear) after 6 years...so we're a big fan of UV protection products in maintaining vehicle exteriors.
As for the comments you quoted above in your post...we'd have to respectively question the remarks made by that "expert", as I've personally spoken on multiple occasions to both Meguiar's and Grott's senior technical people who have stated something entirely different. First of all...it depends on what exterior surfaces are being discussed...plastics, chrome, and rubber respond differently to UV that clear-coated paint surfaces. How corresponding UV protection product actually benefit those areas varies. That's why more than 1 layer and/or type of UV protection product is often advised. In the case here...we use a UV protection sealant product first during a semi-annual detailing process on the entire exterior. On a more regular basis (after washed about ever other week or more...a spray wax product with UV protection is used as well.
The clear-coat exterior paint layer on any vehicle contains UV protection itself, and many (but not all) waxes and sealant products (especially the synthetic ones) are formulated to compliment that UV protection though bonding to the clear-coat layer in many cases...helping to sustain its inherent UV protection.
There's a pretty good piece here that talks about the purpose/value of the UV protection in clear-coat on vehicles:
Clear Coat UV Protection and Overview
Reunion Island, at 21 degrees North Latitude has tropical sun that will fry paint. I understand we all hope that the minor amount of UV protection in waxes will protect paint from degradation. The reality is that the type and quality of the paint are much more important than the wax.
Quote from an expert on the Meguires forum:
"Some waxes do contain UV-protection agents, but the amount of protection that a microscopically thin layer of wax can provide is limited
The primary goal of a wax is to protect the top layers of paint that contain UV-protection agents from the paint manufacture.
Don't be fooled by some companies that lead you to believe that it is the UV protection in a wax that protects your car's finish from fading and failure, this is dishonest and simply not true.
UV protection for paint is much different from UV blocking ingredients for human skin. The two formulas are nothing alike and work in drastically different ways. Sad to say, much of what you see advertised about the protective qualities of most car care products on the market today is simply over-exaggerated hype used to separate you from your hard earned dollars"
Actually...the quality of the clear coat layer (not the paint) primarily impacts real UV protection.
While we are not in the same oven-type climate...it does get pretty hot here in summer time...and this process works well here. One good indicator of effectiveness of any UV protection is how headlight lens appear - there are plenty of them that yellow from the effects of dirt and UV damage. We have a 2013 Honda here that gets sealant UV protection, and the headlight lens on it still appear like brand new (crystal clear) after 6 years...so we're a big fan of UV protection products in maintaining vehicle exteriors.
As for the comments you quoted above in your post...we'd have to respectively question the remarks made by that "expert", as I've personally spoken on multiple occasions to both Meguiar's and Grott's senior technical people who have stated something entirely different. First of all...it depends on what exterior surfaces are being discussed...plastics, chrome, and rubber respond differently to UV that clear-coated paint surfaces. How corresponding UV protection product actually benefit those areas varies. That's why more than 1 layer and/or type of UV protection product is often advised. In the case here...we use a UV protection sealant product first during a semi-annual detailing process on the entire exterior. On a more regular basis (after washed about ever other week or more...a spray wax product with UV protection is used as well.
The clear-coat exterior paint layer on any vehicle contains UV protection itself, and many (but not all) waxes and sealant products (especially the synthetic ones) are formulated to compliment that UV protection though bonding to the clear-coat layer in many cases...helping to sustain its inherent UV protection.
There's a pretty good piece here that talks about the purpose/value of the UV protection in clear-coat on vehicles:
Clear Coat UV Protection and Overview
Originally Posted by Superflan
Hi!
We will have a new Suzuki Vitara at home very soon! It will come in that color scheme:
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I love it. Regardless of color, that is a cool looking SUV / CUV. I can't believe Suzuki is gone from our shores, but Mitsubishi and Fiat are still here. Suzuki has some of the coolest new vehicles, but only abroad.
Put a sealant on two or three times a year. and a quality wax a few times in between sealant coats. I happily use Meguiar's sealant and waxes.
Hi!
We will have a new Suzuki Vitara at home very soon! It will come in that color scheme:
I love it. Regardless of color, that is a cool looking SUV / CUV. I can't believe Suzuki is gone from our shores, but Mitsubishi and Fiat are still here. Suzuki has some of the coolest new vehicles, but only abroad.
Put a sealant on two or three times a year. and a quality wax a few times in between sealant coats. I happily use Meguiar's sealant and waxes.
Hi guys. I want to introduce myself. My name is Tuan and I do a lot of research in many different professions. Automotive is one area that I have a lot of passion in because who doesn't like a well cared for and good looking car, right?
These are some core principals that Ive found and developed over the years to maintain and extend the paint:
1. Own two cars. One car will be subjected to bad weather. The other one will be the car you drive in good weather only. What is considered bad weather? Rain, hot sunny day, cold and snow. Although they may seem harmless, these weather conditions are the great silent destroyers.
2. Own a garage. Any protection from the environment will suffice.
3. Wash the car less. Anytime you wash the car, its subjected to scratches, which builds up over time and dulls the paint. By owning two cars, you'll wash less often and youll worry less about keeping the nice car clean. A microfiber towel will scratch the paint, but anything else will scratch it even more.
4. Never drive in rain, snow, and sunny conditions. This is a repeat of 1. but its being reiterated because most cannot fathom NOT driving in these conditions. But again, it is these very conditions that destroys the car. So thats why you have two cars.
I promise that if you can adhere to these principals, your car will last a long time.
These are some core principals that Ive found and developed over the years to maintain and extend the paint:
1. Own two cars. One car will be subjected to bad weather. The other one will be the car you drive in good weather only. What is considered bad weather? Rain, hot sunny day, cold and snow. Although they may seem harmless, these weather conditions are the great silent destroyers.
2. Own a garage. Any protection from the environment will suffice.
3. Wash the car less. Anytime you wash the car, its subjected to scratches, which builds up over time and dulls the paint. By owning two cars, you'll wash less often and youll worry less about keeping the nice car clean. A microfiber towel will scratch the paint, but anything else will scratch it even more.
4. Never drive in rain, snow, and sunny conditions. This is a repeat of 1. but its being reiterated because most cannot fathom NOT driving in these conditions. But again, it is these very conditions that destroys the car. So thats why you have two cars.
I promise that if you can adhere to these principals, your car will last a long time.
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Originally Posted by theory
Hi guys. I want to introduce myself. My name is Tuan and I do a lot of research in many different professions. Automotive is one area that I have a lot of passion in because who doesn't like a well cared for and good looking car, right?
These are some core principals that Ive found and developed over the years to maintain and extend the paint:
MOSTLY NONSENSE HERE - TOTALLY USELESS ADVICE
I promise that if you can adhere to these principals, your car will last a long time.
The remedial education session about vehicle care has some openings...in case you're interested.
Hi guys. I want to introduce myself. My name is Tuan and I do a lot of research in many different professions. Automotive is one area that I have a lot of passion in because who doesn't like a well cared for and good looking car, right?
These are some core principals that Ive found and developed over the years to maintain and extend the paint:
MOSTLY NONSENSE HERE - TOTALLY USELESS ADVICE
I promise that if you can adhere to these principals, your car will last a long time.
The remedial education session about vehicle care has some openings...in case you're interested.
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Well, I can probably do the snow avoidance
Originally Posted by 4WD
Well, I can probably do the snow avoidance
Well, I can probably do the snow avoidance
Lol, I don't blame you guys for thinking that these principals are ridiculous.
The truth is that these harsh weather conditions don't manifest itself as damage until years later. So we tend to see them as harmless. But by having an understanding of what causes the car's paint to break down, it'll help one curate a plan of attack to ward off damage to the paint. The advice that I gave is just what Ive found to work best for me and my situation.
These are the things youre fighting against:
1. Water
2. Freeze/Thaw cycles
3. Heat/expansion contraction
4. UV radiation
5. Mechanical abrasion
The way I tackled these things is by using avoidance and minimization, instead of tackling them head on.
The truth is that these harsh weather conditions don't manifest itself as damage until years later. So we tend to see them as harmless. But by having an understanding of what causes the car's paint to break down, it'll help one curate a plan of attack to ward off damage to the paint. The advice that I gave is just what Ive found to work best for me and my situation.
These are the things youre fighting against:
1. Water
2. Freeze/Thaw cycles
3. Heat/expansion contraction
4. UV radiation
5. Mechanical abrasion
The way I tackled these things is by using avoidance and minimization, instead of tackling them head on.
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Originally Posted by theory
Lol, I don't blame you guys for thinking that these principals are ridiculous.
The truth is that these harsh weather conditions don't manifest itself as damage until years later. So we tend to see them as harmless. But by having an understanding of what causes the car's paint to break down, it'll help one curate a plan of attack to ward off damage to the paint. The advice that I gave is just what Ive found to work best for me and my situation.
Actually your advice will work but it's not realistic for most people. The best example is right here on BITOG. SLOTown has kept his vehicles immaculate using some of the same recommendations you have stated. He does keep them clean though.
The not washing suggestion is one I disagree with. The answer is to wash your car with quality microfiber products using two buckets with grit guards and good quality car wash products.
Lol, I don't blame you guys for thinking that these principals are ridiculous.
The truth is that these harsh weather conditions don't manifest itself as damage until years later. So we tend to see them as harmless. But by having an understanding of what causes the car's paint to break down, it'll help one curate a plan of attack to ward off damage to the paint. The advice that I gave is just what Ive found to work best for me and my situation.
Actually your advice will work but it's not realistic for most people. The best example is right here on BITOG. SLOTown has kept his vehicles immaculate using some of the same recommendations you have stated. He does keep them clean though.
The not washing suggestion is one I disagree with. The answer is to wash your car with quality microfiber products using two buckets with grit guards and good quality car wash products.
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