BP now Top Tier...
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
And yet, are not picky about what gas to use.
I can't argue with you there. I wouldn't say that everyone should be using Top Tier at all costs, or running premium where unnecessary, or using Techron every tank, but there's something to be said for paying attention to what gas you're running.
Back in the taxi days, when LPG started to go out of style (thanks to huge price increases), there were some teething issues when drivers would fill at the cheapest backwater station they could find in the city. They didn't care about the car; they wanted the cheapest gas they could get.
And yet, are not picky about what gas to use.
I can't argue with you there. I wouldn't say that everyone should be using Top Tier at all costs, or running premium where unnecessary, or using Techron every tank, but there's something to be said for paying attention to what gas you're running.
Back in the taxi days, when LPG started to go out of style (thanks to huge price increases), there were some teething issues when drivers would fill at the cheapest backwater station they could find in the city. They didn't care about the car; they wanted the cheapest gas they could get.
I'm glad they are finally officially one the list. They have been pushing their "invigorate" as an engine cleaner for some time so I was confused as to why they were not Top Tier.
There was a thread about this some months ago in which a poster claimed that because Costco's gas had "5X required detergency" that it was actually Top Tier fuel without that added expense (savings purportedly passed on to customers) to Costco of having to pay for TT certification.
After reading these FAQ's I'm not sure that is correct. No matter. Purchasing gas from the Costco near me is very inconvenient, not to mention the fact that the only credit card accepted is American Express.
After reading these FAQ's I'm not sure that is correct. No matter. Purchasing gas from the Costco near me is very inconvenient, not to mention the fact that the only credit card accepted is American Express.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
MANY on here probably DO believe just that (or at least they will shill for that).
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
MANY on here probably DO believe just that (or at least they will shill for that).
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Still don't see the fee. Testing cost is not a fee. So where is the fee?
http://www.toptiergas.com/faqs.html
Read through that page a little more. Specifically question number 3.
Still don't see the fee. Testing cost is not a fee. So where is the fee?
http://www.toptiergas.com/faqs.html
Read through that page a little more. Specifically question number 3.
Why are you so interested in the specific fee? Are you a gasoline retailer who is interested in joining Top Tier?
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
So is arsenic and cow dung.
I'm glad BP finally got certified Top Tier. I have bought it in the past but always wondered if they were telling the truth when they said they met the standards but just never paid for the certification. BP will now join Shell & Exxon for me as gas that I will normally buy.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
So is arsenic and cow dung.
I'm glad BP finally got certified Top Tier. I have bought it in the past but always wondered if they were telling the truth when they said they met the standards but just never paid for the certification. BP will now join Shell & Exxon for me as gas that I will normally buy.
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
So is arsenic and cow dung.
I'm glad BP finally got certified Top Tier. I have bought it in the past but always wondered if they were telling the truth when they said they met the standards but just never paid for the certification. BP will now join Shell & Exxon for me as gas that I will normally buy.
I think what the point is about if you dont like oil go move to Africa is this. Do you own anything that is a plastic? Do you drive a car? MANY THINGS come out of crude oil. So the Africa Statement is true, if you dont want ANYTHING to do with crude oil, and wnat to be some kind of tree hugger because its politically correct to be so, then go to Africa, live without your Computer, your Cell phone, your car, and MANY OTHER things that are derived from Crude oil.
Like an article I read once in a car rag, People that buy electric cars are actually polluting the air more than an average gas engine. How? Because the production of those vehicles, down to the Lithium Batteries causes more pollution than the gas version cars would ever make.
All this global warming [censored] is all political. There is so much debate on either side of that coin I call [censored]. The only thing that the world is really doing wrong is its getting more and more greedy every year. Greed will be the end of man. Not Crude Oil.
Just my Ten Cents.
Jeff
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
So is arsenic and cow dung.
I'm glad BP finally got certified Top Tier. I have bought it in the past but always wondered if they were telling the truth when they said they met the standards but just never paid for the certification. BP will now join Shell & Exxon for me as gas that I will normally buy.
I think what the point is about if you dont like oil go move to Africa is this. Do you own anything that is a plastic? Do you drive a car? MANY THINGS come out of crude oil. So the Africa Statement is true, if you dont want ANYTHING to do with crude oil, and wnat to be some kind of tree hugger because its politically correct to be so, then go to Africa, live without your Computer, your Cell phone, your car, and MANY OTHER things that are derived from Crude oil.
Like an article I read once in a car rag, People that buy electric cars are actually polluting the air more than an average gas engine. How? Because the production of those vehicles, down to the Lithium Batteries causes more pollution than the gas version cars would ever make.
All this global warming [censored] is all political. There is so much debate on either side of that coin I call [censored]. The only thing that the world is really doing wrong is its getting more and more greedy every year. Greed will be the end of man. Not Crude Oil.
Just my Ten Cents.
Jeff
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
All this global warming [censored] is all political. There is so much debate on either side of that coin I call [censored]. The only thing that the world is really doing wrong is its getting more and more greedy every year. Greed will be the end of man. Not Crude Oil.
Just my Ten Cents.
Jeff
There is no serious debate among real scientists. It's just the hired guns paid by big oil cos, who claim to be scientists, are making a lot of noise. Gullible people listen and support said oil companies by buying gas guzzlers.
Lets see how much longer that farce continues.
All this global warming [censored] is all political. There is so much debate on either side of that coin I call [censored]. The only thing that the world is really doing wrong is its getting more and more greedy every year. Greed will be the end of man. Not Crude Oil.
Just my Ten Cents.
Jeff
There is no serious debate among real scientists. It's just the hired guns paid by big oil cos, who claim to be scientists, are making a lot of noise. Gullible people listen and support said oil companies by buying gas guzzlers.
Lets see how much longer that farce continues.
I personally stopped using BP gas after it created problems in my boat. I did gas oxidation study and BP was terrible in that regard. I then realized that top-tier is not only about detergents but also antioxidants.
I may come back now, but BP left a bad taste for me (not even mentioning the oil spill thing).
I may come back now, but BP left a bad taste for me (not even mentioning the oil spill thing).
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
There is no serious debate among real scientists. It's just the hired guns paid by Big Green, who claim to be scientists, are making a lot of noise. Gullible people listen and support said Green companies by buying carbon credits and making Al Gore rich.
Lets see how much longer that farce continues.
Fixed it for you
There is no serious debate among real scientists. It's just the hired guns paid by Big Green, who claim to be scientists, are making a lot of noise. Gullible people listen and support said Green companies by buying carbon credits and making Al Gore rich.
Lets see how much longer that farce continues.
Fixed it for you
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: wemay
I guess they now 'meet the standards'
Or maybe they just paid the fee?
Seriously, I'd like to know how BP changed their formula to meet the standard.
Now thats a great question! It all boils down to $, I would think you have to pay them to test and grade your fuel. Im sure its not done FREE, I do not see any place on the site that says Non profit Organization. I bet BP made no changes, they simply paid.
I would really like to know what BP did to improve thier gas. Personally i do not like to go to BP, I miss when they were Amaco. AMACO was good gas for the $.
Here is what it costs and its more then I thought.. It depends how many stations you have. WOW
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What does it cost to sign up for the TT program?
There is an annual fee based on the number of service stations owned by the fuel marketer.
WOW Read this!
What does the performance testing cost and who pays for it?
The performance testing costs will vary depending on the independent ISO 17025 certified lab that is hired to run the tests. The total cost of all testing can be in the range of $25,000 – $30,000. The detergent additive company pays for the testing; they select the treat rate that they think will pass the TOP TIER performance specification limits. Once they have a Pass, they inform their fuel marketing customers of the detergency treat rate required to be in the TOP TIER program. It is then up to the fuel marketers to decide if they want to treat their gasoline at the prescribed detergency treat rate.
Can I have only my high volume gas stations be TT and not all of them?
No. A TOP TIER license agreement states that all stations under a brand name or franchise name must use the same detergency treat rate. The fuel marketer cannot select only certain service stations to use the TOP TIER detergency treat rate.
Originally Posted By: wemay
I guess they now 'meet the standards'
Or maybe they just paid the fee?
Seriously, I'd like to know how BP changed their formula to meet the standard.
Now thats a great question! It all boils down to $, I would think you have to pay them to test and grade your fuel. Im sure its not done FREE, I do not see any place on the site that says Non profit Organization. I bet BP made no changes, they simply paid.
I would really like to know what BP did to improve thier gas. Personally i do not like to go to BP, I miss when they were Amaco. AMACO was good gas for the $.
Here is what it costs and its more then I thought.. It depends how many stations you have. WOW
read
What does it cost to sign up for the TT program?
There is an annual fee based on the number of service stations owned by the fuel marketer.
WOW Read this!
What does the performance testing cost and who pays for it?
The performance testing costs will vary depending on the independent ISO 17025 certified lab that is hired to run the tests. The total cost of all testing can be in the range of $25,000 – $30,000. The detergent additive company pays for the testing; they select the treat rate that they think will pass the TOP TIER performance specification limits. Once they have a Pass, they inform their fuel marketing customers of the detergency treat rate required to be in the TOP TIER program. It is then up to the fuel marketers to decide if they want to treat their gasoline at the prescribed detergency treat rate.
Can I have only my high volume gas stations be TT and not all of them?
No. A TOP TIER license agreement states that all stations under a brand name or franchise name must use the same detergency treat rate. The fuel marketer cannot select only certain service stations to use the TOP TIER detergency treat rate.
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
Did you know the CEO of BP sold 75% of his stock 3 weeks before the spill?
Also did you know the chemical they use the clean the spill is owned by no other then BP or is a subsidary or BP.
READ:
Just weeks before the disaster on the Gulf Coast, BP CEO Tony Chapman sold off £1.4 million of BP stock, according to the Telegraph. (Although, the paper added, there is no proof "that he acted improperly or had prior knowledge.") In light of the plummeting stock prices after the spill, he made off with a huge payday. Also, eleven days before the spill, Halliburton purchased the cleaning company that was eventually hired to sort out the mess. Halliburton also happened to be the company responsible for making sure the well was reinforced enough to avoid this type of disaster in the first place.
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
Did you know the CEO of BP sold 75% of his stock 3 weeks before the spill?
Also did you know the chemical they use the clean the spill is owned by no other then BP or is a subsidary or BP.
READ:
Just weeks before the disaster on the Gulf Coast, BP CEO Tony Chapman sold off £1.4 million of BP stock, according to the Telegraph. (Although, the paper added, there is no proof "that he acted improperly or had prior knowledge.") In light of the plummeting stock prices after the spill, he made off with a huge payday. Also, eleven days before the spill, Halliburton purchased the cleaning company that was eventually hired to sort out the mess. Halliburton also happened to be the company responsible for making sure the well was reinforced enough to avoid this type of disaster in the first place.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Really, My last tank of Bp 93 was lower mileage than Shell 93
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Really, My last tank of Bp 93 was lower mileage than Shell 93
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