BP gasoline with invigorate

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aimatdeer

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What is everyone's opinion of bp regular gas with invigorate. How do you think it compares to top tier gas. One near me is my favorite station locally and usually cheaper than most around. Used it for years and have had no issues so far.
 
KCJeep said:
They don’t participate in the top tier games but the gas exceeds top tier requirements.
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I am curious about the basis for this claim. Not doubting you personally; just want to understand the data which would back this up.
Do you have a link to testing validations or something similar?

I believe they (BP, etc) used to be TT certified, and were dropped off the list a few years ago.
One of two possibilities the way I see it:
- they want to cheapen the gas and not be held to the TT standard
- they provide a decent quality gas, but don't see the ROI from the costs of TT certification manifesting into actual market share increases
 
I three would like to see data validating your claim that BP exceeds Top Tier
 
Website claims it everywhere

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BP claims it on their website. https://www.bp.com/en_us/united-states/home/products-and-services/fuels.html

Is a global super major oil company lying? I doubt it - they have very deep pockets to sue.

The top tier thing is a marketing scheme. Some companies don't want to play for whatever reason. Many companies have come and gone. Did they really change their formulation after they left. The process to do so sounds like a lot of work.

I like the idea of top tier, but am perfectly fine with BP / Amoco and their own claims for the same reasons.

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I remember that at the time that BP dropped out of the TT program, they claimed it was about the cost, and the effect that it had on their margins.
Also the same reason that Sunoco dropped out of the program before they rejoined it.
I understand and appreciate that BP got tired of playing the pay to play thing with the TT Gods. Best way for them to deal with that is to have an independent lab do a proper evaluation of their fuel, then they could use their website to disseminate that information, and could promote that in their advertising efforts.
However, I'd guess that the quality of BP fuel is better than the quality of their reputation.
However, as an aside, what about the quality of Arco fuel. The Gods say that it has been blessed. But which Arco? The one on the West coast, that at least in some regions is the marketing arm for BP? Or the Arco in the Midwest that is operating under the auspices of Marathon Oil, which is either under the ownership, or about to be under the ownership of Conoco Phillips?
Guess the best advice for fuel brands is that if you like one, burn it.
 
I also had to have a cam and lifters put in a 2014 silverado, 5.3. I asked the gm techs at my dealer should I put injectors in while it's apart. 168k miles. He said there didn't seem to be any reason to and that my injectors looked OK to him. Mostly bp fuel. And we all know gm truck fuel pumps. Mine was original.
 
I’ve used BP exclusively for a couple of decades with no known problems. With the BP rewards card, one gets 15 cents off the pump price and with a Murphys and a Sheetz within a mile of the BP I use, they’re more often than not cheaper than the Sheetz and Murphys.
 
aimatdeer said:
What is everyone's opinion of bp regular gas with invigorate. How do you think it compares to top tier gas. One near me is my favorite station locally and usually cheaper than most around. Used it for years and have had no issues so far.
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I too have used 87 octane BP gas and still do. I never had a fuel related problem wit its use. Reason I use it ? I get fifteen cents a gallon taken off by using my BP visa card.
 
TT fuels aren't necessarily the "best". TT simply assures a good minimum standard is met. If a fuel is not TT certified, it could be because it's crap, or it could be because the company doesn't see the ROI in the license efforts and costs.

I see this no different than API licenses/certs; those assure a minimum which is "good enough" for most applications. There are companies which can easily surpass those standards, but for me to purchase their products, they have to PROVE it to me. When I use HPL, it's because I trust them to provide a product which exceeds the API standards because I've personally seen the testing/validation proof. I've spoken with them in their lab and seen their production facility. Though I've not had such an opportunity with Amsoil, I would also trust them fully.

Point being, don't "tell" me you're better ... prove to me you're better. Bring the receipts!

I've read the BP marketing info. I do believe BP (and subsidiaries) to be a decent product line and I don't think they're purposely lying. I just want to see the DATA (the tests run and subsequent results) which prove their claims. It's not that I doubt their claims; it's that I want to verify their claims. As of yet, I've not seen anything but marketing claims. Where's the PROOF? I that they reference ASTM D6201, but they don't tell us their results and how those compare/contrast to TT standards. I want to see what tests are run, so I can research the test and understand what it does and does not assure. Then show me the results of your tests relative to those standards.

Here is a quote from their FAQs ...
"... in engine test stands incorporating ASTM, industry standard and new, cutting-edge test procedures."
They only reference one ASTM standard, and say nothing as to what the "industry standard and new, cutting-edge procedures" actually are.


NOTE: ASTM D6201 concerns intake valve deposits.
https://store.astm.org/d6201-19a.html
That does not address fuel injector cleaning, and other things which fuel can do if properly formulated.
 
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When a company makes statements like this without supporting data, it is the old "trust me, would I lie to you?" in my opinion. Maybe they do meet or exceed TT detergency levels. But show us test results from an independent lab.
 
dnewton3 said:
I've read the BP marketing info. I do believe BP (and subsidiaries) to be a decent product line and I don't think they're purposely lying. I just want to see the DATA (the tests run and subsequent results) which prove their claims. It's not that I doubt their claims; it's that I want to verify their claims. As of yet, I've not seen anything but marketing claims. Where's the PROOF? I don't see any specific ASTM or other credible test standards referenced. I want to see the tests run, so I can research the test and understand what it does and does not assure. Then show me the results of your tests relative to those standards.


I see this no different than API licenses/certs; those assure a minimum which is "good enough" for most applications. There are companies which can easily surprise those standards, but for me to purchase their products, they have to PROVE it to me. When I use HPL, it's because I trust them to provide a product which exceeds the API standards because I've personally seen the testing/validation proof. I've spoken with them in their lab and seen their production facility. Though I've not had such an opportunity with Amsoil, I would also trust them fully. Point being, don't "tell" me you're better ... prove to me you're better. Bring the receipts!
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A simple email to Top Tier would give you that information although today I don't see them listed and the TT website isn't friendly for Mobile users.. click the desktop mode....
I didn’t ask because BP left my area long ago.

I only say this as they mention TT often on their website... if not part of TT I don't think they should use their name.
 
dnewton3 said:
TT fuels aren't necessarily the "best". TT simply assures a good minimum standard is met. If a fuel is not TT certified, it could be because it's crap, or it could be because the company doesn't see the ROI in the license efforts and costs.

I see this no different than API licenses/certs; those assure a minimum which is "good enough" for most applications. There are companies which can easily surpass those standards, but for me to purchase their products, they have to PROVE it to me. When I use HPL, it's because I trust them to provide a product which exceeds the API standards because I've personally seen the testing/validation proof. I've spoken with them in their lab and seen their production facility. Though I've not had such an opportunity with Amsoil, I would also trust them fully.

Point being, don't "tell" me you're better ... prove to me you're better. Bring the receipts!

I've read the BP marketing info. I do believe BP (and subsidiaries) to be a decent product line and I don't think they're purposely lying. I just want to see the DATA (the tests run and subsequent results) which prove their claims. It's not that I doubt their claims; it's that I want to verify their claims. As of yet, I've not seen anything but marketing claims. Where's the PROOF? I don't see any specific ASTM or other credible test standards referenced. I want to see what tests are run, so I can research the test and understand what it does and does not assure. Then show me the results of your tests relative to those standards.
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In addition to, let's say that TT specs are 7ppm additives. BP could put in 7.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001ppm additives and still claim that it exceeds TT standards.
 
Boomer said:
When a company makes statements like this without supporting data, it is the old "trust me, would I lie to you?" in my opinion. Maybe they do meet or exceed TT detergency levels. But show us test results from an independent lab.
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Are they a subsidiary of Triax Lubricants? Nevermind 😁
 
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