BMW recalls 150,000 vehicles.
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That's great that owners have been able to get the company to move on something like that. We know that auto makers aren't always quick to acknowledge an issue, and it's great that BMW is owning up to the problem.
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That's great that owners have been able to get the company to move on something like that. We know that auto makers aren't always quick to acknowledge an issue, and it's great that BMW is owning up to the problem.
Guess I don't share your exuberance for Bimmer here. If you read the Jalopnik article and watch the video, it appears they've stonewalled on a recall for some time. Also curious, the recall comes prior to the release of a Nightline report tonight. So perhaps there's more to the recall then the title of Jalopnik article implies.
That's great that owners have been able to get the company to move on something like that. We know that auto makers aren't always quick to acknowledge an issue, and it's great that BMW is owning up to the problem.
Guess I don't share your exuberance for Bimmer here. If you read the Jalopnik article and watch the video, it appears they've stonewalled on a recall for some time. Also curious, the recall comes prior to the release of a Nightline report tonight. So perhaps there's more to the recall then the title of Jalopnik article implies.
On top of that, supposedly they don't have a new fuel pump design yet, so what's the point of replacing one faulty HPFP with another? And as for the software mod, some owners fear it'll result in reduced power. Alas, these are just speculations. I'd love to hear more details on all of this as as I am considering a used one.
Well, I continue to believe and say that this kind of stuff is something that every automaker does. Many people think that only a select few do it, but it's just not the case. The bottom line is the performance of the vehicles and the safety of the customer. Would/should/could BMW have acknowledged the problem sooner? Maybe; I don't have all the info (and I'm sure that neither Jalopnik nor Nightline have it either), so I don't want to cast judgement on it. Nothing worse than people throwing stones when nobody knows the whole story.
I'm just glad when a situation does come to the point of the vehicles getting fixed.
I'm just glad when a situation does come to the point of the vehicles getting fixed.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Well, I continue to believe and say that this kind of stuff is something that every automaker does. Many people think that only a select few do it, but it's just not the case. The bottom line is the performance of the vehicles and the safety of the customer. Would/should/could BMW have acknowledged the problem sooner? Maybe; I don't have all the info (and I'm sure that neither Jalopnik nor Nightline have it either), so I don't want to cast judgement on it. Nothing worse than people throwing stones when nobody knows the whole story.
I'm just glad when a situation does come to the point of the vehicles getting fixed.
I agree, but I take a different view of recalls than many do. For one, like you I see it as a good thing that the automaker is acknowledging the problem and fixing it for free.
At the same time, because of the way these are often sensationalized to produce out of proportion mass hysteria, its good from a potential investors POV so long as they believe the company is otherwise sound, also a well publicized recall (and the more sensational the better from this POV) will really hit the stock price hard, and when the initial panic subsides, and the stock has flattened in its decline, there is a healthy profit to be made from an investment POV.
Finally, from a consumer POV the above also impacts dealers and their sales targets. To move the stock they need to, the only tool they have to deal with the negative press is slashed prices - often deeply slashed. Again, so long as one is satisfied the product is sound, there is simply no better time to buy. This can even trickle down to the used car market, and I saved $1,500 on the market value of the car in my sig by buying it when the accelerator recall was at its peak frenzy - even though that had nothing to do with this model year.
I suppose it depends on your outlook. Where others see the glass half empty, I see it half full and act accordingly.
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Well, I continue to believe and say that this kind of stuff is something that every automaker does. Many people think that only a select few do it, but it's just not the case. The bottom line is the performance of the vehicles and the safety of the customer. Would/should/could BMW have acknowledged the problem sooner? Maybe; I don't have all the info (and I'm sure that neither Jalopnik nor Nightline have it either), so I don't want to cast judgement on it. Nothing worse than people throwing stones when nobody knows the whole story.
I'm just glad when a situation does come to the point of the vehicles getting fixed.
I agree, but I take a different view of recalls than many do. For one, like you I see it as a good thing that the automaker is acknowledging the problem and fixing it for free.
At the same time, because of the way these are often sensationalized to produce out of proportion mass hysteria, its good from a potential investors POV so long as they believe the company is otherwise sound, also a well publicized recall (and the more sensational the better from this POV) will really hit the stock price hard, and when the initial panic subsides, and the stock has flattened in its decline, there is a healthy profit to be made from an investment POV.
Finally, from a consumer POV the above also impacts dealers and their sales targets. To move the stock they need to, the only tool they have to deal with the negative press is slashed prices - often deeply slashed. Again, so long as one is satisfied the product is sound, there is simply no better time to buy. This can even trickle down to the used car market, and I saved $1,500 on the market value of the car in my sig by buying it when the accelerator recall was at its peak frenzy - even though that had nothing to do with this model year.
I suppose it depends on your outlook. Where others see the glass half empty, I see it half full and act accordingly.
-Spyder
This is good news, a friends 135i has been through 2 of these pumps already...
This is a success story for the consumer. I'm glad that BMW at least listened to a group of loyal enthusiasts. BTW love that N54 engine!
Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
I'm glad that BMW at least listened to a group of loyal enthusiasts.
More like listened to the enthusiasts' lawyers.
I'm glad that BMW at least listened to a group of loyal enthusiasts.
More like listened to the enthusiasts' lawyers.
My brother went through 2 HPFP units in 3 years. BMW had already extended the warranty to 120k. I don't know what good a recall is unless they have somehow solved the problem, what they need is a lifetime replacement warranty.
This is the reason we bought a 528 instead of the 535. The 535 was better to drive but I knew I didn't want to deal with that 'system', and I didn't want to pay for the gas for the V8
This is the reason we bought a 528 instead of the 535. The 535 was better to drive but I knew I didn't want to deal with that 'system', and I didn't want to pay for the gas for the V8
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It's shameful for an auto company to release a part without thorough testing. It's more shameful to continue producing the substandard part for four years and not own up to the problem.
Unfortunately, I see this with other manufacturers. Today's cars are full of "stuff". Add the fact that manufacturers can't afford to thoroughly test the parts to stay competitive, and you have a recipe for scenarios such as this. Weighed against the cost of testing, they'd rather incur the wrath of the consumer. This will last as long as the consumer perceives certain makes (i.e., BMW) as good product.
Unfortunately, I see this with other manufacturers. Today's cars are full of "stuff". Add the fact that manufacturers can't afford to thoroughly test the parts to stay competitive, and you have a recipe for scenarios such as this. Weighed against the cost of testing, they'd rather incur the wrath of the consumer. This will last as long as the consumer perceives certain makes (i.e., BMW) as good product.
Having watched last night's piece on this on ABC, I am still not convinced that BMW has come up with a correct HPFP design. As a matter of fact, the story mentioned that they tried redesigning it over the past 4 years, but so far with no success.
Something tells me that BMW rushed to announce this recall because they were pressured by this ABC story, and not because they have a viable solution. After all, it's a bit too coincidental that the story and the recall saw the light of day on the same day.
Something tells me that BMW rushed to announce this recall because they were pressured by this ABC story, and not because they have a viable solution. After all, it's a bit too coincidental that the story and the recall saw the light of day on the same day.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Having watched last night's piece on this on ABC, I am still not convinced that BMW has come up with a correct HPFP design. As a matter of fact, the story mentioned that they tried redesigning it over the past 4 years, but so far with no success.
Something tells me that BMW rushed to announce this recall because they were pressured by this ABC story, and not because they have a viable solution. After all, it's a bit too coincidental that the story and the recall saw the light of day on the same day.
Good call! I wonder what makes this particular HPFP so much different from other GDI units... or even a CR Diesel pump?
Having watched last night's piece on this on ABC, I am still not convinced that BMW has come up with a correct HPFP design. As a matter of fact, the story mentioned that they tried redesigning it over the past 4 years, but so far with no success.
Something tells me that BMW rushed to announce this recall because they were pressured by this ABC story, and not because they have a viable solution. After all, it's a bit too coincidental that the story and the recall saw the light of day on the same day.
Good call! I wonder what makes this particular HPFP so much different from other GDI units... or even a CR Diesel pump?
Link to this ABC video:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/bmw-investigation-flawed-fuel-pump-11978794
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/bmw-investigation-flawed-fuel-pump-11978794
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Having watched last night's piece on this on ABC, I am still not convinced that BMW has come up with a correct HPFP design. As a matter of fact, the story mentioned that they tried redesigning it over the past 4 years, but so far with no success.
Something tells me that BMW rushed to announce this recall because they were pressured by this ABC story, and not because they have a viable solution. After all, it's a bit too coincidental that the story and the recall saw the light of day on the same day.
I agree - and there was a lot of noise made on BMW forums, etc...BMW didn't listen until the ABC story got aired...
wonder what they're actually going to do with the recalled cars, IIRC, there were reports of even the N55 having issues (reported by owners in forums)
...Glad I got an E46
Having watched last night's piece on this on ABC, I am still not convinced that BMW has come up with a correct HPFP design. As a matter of fact, the story mentioned that they tried redesigning it over the past 4 years, but so far with no success.
Something tells me that BMW rushed to announce this recall because they were pressured by this ABC story, and not because they have a viable solution. After all, it's a bit too coincidental that the story and the recall saw the light of day on the same day.
I agree - and there was a lot of noise made on BMW forums, etc...BMW didn't listen until the ABC story got aired...
wonder what they're actually going to do with the recalled cars, IIRC, there were reports of even the N55 having issues (reported by owners in forums)
...Glad I got an E46
They are changing the software. Supposedly it minimizes the HPFP issue, but also detunes the engine, which is a [censored] poor way of addressing the issue. Hopefully they'll figure out a way of making a better HPFP eventually, before those 120K mile extended warranties run out.
I'd hate to have to buy a 550i instead of a 535i due to this whole issue, as the performance in daily driving is similar between the two, but 535i is more fuel efficient.
I'd hate to have to buy a 550i instead of a 535i due to this whole issue, as the performance in daily driving is similar between the two, but 535i is more fuel efficient.
yep - that is indeed a [censored] way to "fix" the HPFP problem - I guess the 128i & 328i owners made a good choice, esp. if they don't need the extra performance..
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JHZR2
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There are at least three HPFP designs with different part numbers. The latest part numberseems to be doing OK, though I recall that an N55 engine did have an HPFP issue. However nobody has any clues if that was NOS used, if the ethanol content of the fuel was too high (reports of it being 15-20), etc.
But the third p/n seems to be decent... hopefully.
But the third p/n seems to be decent... hopefully.
JH, does your 135i have an extended 120K mile warranty on the HPFP as well?
JHZR2
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Not sure... I know they did 100k (didnt think it was 120) on all N54 engine cars. I dont think this was the case for N55.
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