bmk-13 on my grand

[JeePing]

Thinking abut doing bmk-13 kit on my 03 grand with 4 liter.
What full flow and bypass filters should I use and how often they need to be chatnged?
Is there better kit for 4.0?
Will engine lose any oil pressure?
If you use the bmk-13 kit how happy are you with it? Would you change anything?
Can some one explain to me how that plate that holds filters works what's inside of it? I looked on amsoil site but there is nothing that will show how it works.
Any inpoot welcome.
Thanks

 

[handyman]

JeePing
You can do a search on bmk-13 on this site and get about a dozen threads or more. This will allow you to make up your own mind. Also there is a bmk-13 kit for sale in the "Items for Sale" forum.

 

[JeePing]

But how will it push oil thru the bypass if pressure would be the same on influent and effluent?
Am I missing something here?

 

[slalom44]

Read this if you want to learn how the BMK-13 works:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000407

 

[Gary Allan]

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Originally posted by JeePing:
But how will it push oil thru the bypass if pressure would be the same on influent and effluent?
Am I missing something here?

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With a Permacool sandwich involved you will always have a 2PSID across your bypass filters. The flow will vary depending on the oil temp/visc ..but the pressure will always be 2PSID.

Look at that port @ 3 o'clock.

It's got a sprung ball. The spring will pass more flow or less flow depending on how much the viscosity produces attempting to make it through the bypass filters. When cold ..the filters are going to look a heck of a lot more like a brick wall then a filter. When the oil warms, they will flow more ..the poppet valve will close some. If the oil is thin enough ..then it may close all together

YES. That itty-bitty port is typically enough to pass your entire oil flow through. It's a short span. It's not like you're pumping it through a hose that size for 10 feet. You're engine is much harder to pump oil through.


Influent and effluent? Heck, you've got to be into some form of water treatment ..either potable or wastewater

 

[JeePing]

LOL I'm doing R&D in WW treatmen... how did you know?
Ok so it only takes smole amount of oil and pumps it thru bypass and then back to sandwich?
Thanks guy's

 

[Gary Allan]

15 years in industrial waste treament in the dye industry. "Extended aeration with activated return sludge" ..mutant bacteria, PAC system, cationic polymer floculation, clarification, DOUR, BOD's ... ..etc.. and all the rest. Influent and effluent are daily usage words

Look at it this way. You have a dedicated pipe that bypasses your weir box. If the flow can't manage through that pipe ..it spills over the V notch in the weir. That's your poppet valve.

Essentailly you present two paths for the oil to take to the full flow filter. What cannot pass through the bypass filters to the otherside of the "wall" (note the casting image) will take a short cut through the poppet relief valve. The flows will diverge according to whatever 2PSID mandates through the bypass filters. The thinner the oil ..the more that can pass through the bypass filters ...the "escape hatch" short cut will close a little.

You're dealing with differential pressures here. There will always (typically) 2 psi-differential across your bypass filters. Flow (some anyway) will always pass through them. The amount will vary depending on the viscosity of the oil.

 

[JeePing]

I think you got me to do bmk-12, makes more sense that way, plus the sump will be biger too. Is bm-90 a 1q filter?

We dealing with organic waste or a... organics in waste water or sludge( trying eliminate need for aeration basins). Maybe you have heard of company named Baswood. If not I'm sure you will in couple of years.

 

[JeePing]

will this work ?http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EAR%2D510ERL&N=700+4294908280+4294924641+4294907476+4294840046+115&autoview=sku

 

[Gary Allan]

Your link doesn't work for some reason

Ford version

Amsoil would probably be the most practical/economical way to get the O ring face seal fittings for the unit. I think it came with 5/16 or 3/16 (I forget which) adapters. Hit up one of the Amoil reps for the hardware that you need to connect the Dual Guard to a Permacool. You can do it yourself ...but the Amsoil filter mounts use AN threads and need, IIRC, an O ring seal type fitting. I would get the larger fittings for this mount and then either buy the needed items from Amsoil ..or pay Summit another visit in the Aeroquip end of things and get some hose and fittings there.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Originally posted by JeePing:

We dealing with organic waste or a... organics in waste water or sludge( trying eliminate need for aeration basins). Maybe you have heard of company named Baswood. If not I'm sure you will in couple of years.

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No. That's a new name for me. I've been out of the industry for about 3 years. Organic digestion without aeration ..or at least without the lagoons typcially associated with bacterial remedies? Interesting. Perhaps sometime you can give me the $0.25 tour via PM or email

 

[Gary Allan]

Jeeping,

You've got a 4.0 with a right angle mount, correct? That's how they do it on the XJ's

No worries about the oil pressure. The 4.0, typically, doesn't have a high volume pump.

If I were to do it all over again (I have no bypass currently installed), I would get a Dual Guard (BMK-12, IIRC) and plumb it to a Permacool sandwich. You can then have some flexibilty in the size of the bypass filters depending on how big you want your sump to be and how long you truly intend to run an OCI.

 

[JeePing]

Thank you guy's for your help, I think I got it figured out now.

 

[Nebraskan]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
15 years in industrial waste treament in the dye industry. "Extended aeration with activated return sludge" ..mutant bacteria, PAC system, cationic polymer floculation, clarification, DOUR, BOD's ... ..etc.. and all the rest. Influent and effluent are daily usage words

Look at it this way. You have a dedicated pipe that bypasses your weir box. If the flow can't manage through that pipe ..it spills over the V notch in the weir. That's your poppet valve.

Essentailly you present two paths for the oil to take to the full flow filter. What cannot pass through the bypass filters to the otherside of the "wall" (note the casting image) will take a short cut through the poppet relief valve. The flows will diverge according to whatever 2PSID mandates through the bypass filters. The thinner the oil ..the more that can pass through the bypass filters ...the "escape hatch" short cut will close a little.

You're dealing with differential pressures here. There will always (typically) 2 psi-differential across your bypass filters. Flow (some anyway) will always pass through them. The amount will vary depending on the viscosity of the oil.

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Don't forget about the BOD5 or the Suspended Solids!! Worked as the Wastewater Treatment Plant Manager at The City of Crawford, NE. Effluent was an "end result" LOL

When you mention 2PSID I assume you are saying 2 Pounds Per Sqare Inch? D= ??
Vern

 

[Gary Allan]

Differential, Vern. 60 psi above the filter - 58 below = 2PSID That's what drives the flow through the remote filters. If you took out the relief poppet valve, you may/will get some flow through them for some time ..or at some point ..but as the oil warmed ..it would just find it too easy to go through the open hole then to take the trip out to the remote filter mount. The poppet is reactive and will close as the oil thins ..driving more toward the remote mount.

For example, a single filter may produce 2PSID at startup when new with heavy oil in cold conditions. That will erode as the oil warms. As the filter loads it may start out fairly high ..but will retreat to next to nothing as the oil warms. Two ff filters in parallel would probably have a hard time producing too much differential. Any likely differential will probably have as much to do with the mass of oil that has to be moved as it does with over coming the resistance of the filters.

Gosh ..lot's of treatment specialists here.

Municipal is a snap if you've got the capacity (dwell time for your digestion process to work). It's all water. Our influent was (filtered) 700 APHA with up to 25,000 ppm of suspended solids

. Before money got tight, we never sent anything to the river at under 100 APHA ..while our permit allowed 800. We were at about 150-175k per day. Pretty low by any muni standard.

I've been trying to promote a trash to steam plant in our boro's industrial zone and the boro manager objected to the potential water demand. I pointed out to him that the effluent of the waste treatement plant was easily treatable to acceptable condition. Long process getting this type of stuff done.