so i use this as my bible for oil related info..you guys are the most informed,as far as im concerned...please tell me which oils are true synthetis group iv-v. and im referring to oils here in the states...not euro. thanks in advance
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Hmm, I think maybe this has been asked before. Maybe.
Maybe search around a bit.
Maybe.
Where did you disappear to for the last six years?
Maybe search around a bit.
Maybe.
Where did you disappear to for the last six years?
Red Line(NOT the OEM series)
Amsoil Signature Series(NOT XL OR OE)
Nissan Ester Engine Oil
And I think some Motul, if it doesn't say synthesis-technologie.
Amsoil Signature Series(NOT XL OR OE)
Nissan Ester Engine Oil
And I think some Motul, if it doesn't say synthesis-technologie.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Hmm, I think maybe this has been asked before. Maybe.
Maybe search around a bit.
Maybe.
Where did you disappear to for the last six years?
lol..fair enough..im at work,dont have time to use the search feature..but ur right..i just couldnt bring up anything def. with a google search...my apologies
Hmm, I think maybe this has been asked before. Maybe.
Maybe search around a bit.
Maybe.
Where did you disappear to for the last six years?
lol..fair enough..im at work,dont have time to use the search feature..but ur right..i just couldnt bring up anything def. with a google search...my apologies
The other aspect which many here agree with is to not judge a oil by its base composition but by the specs it meets. The oil companies are not giving up their propietary formulas and they do change periodically as well.
Use a quality major brand that meets the specs and has the certifications for your usage.
Use a quality major brand that meets the specs and has the certifications for your usage.
i understand that..im trying to resolve a conflict..my coworker seems to think mobil 1 is true synthetic.. i was under the assumption that amsoil..royal purple...redline and liqui-moli were the only true syn. oils..0w-40 in mobil 1?
Originally Posted by kschachn
Hmm, I think maybe this has been asked before. Maybe. Maybe search around a bit. Maybe.
Yeah, maybe once or twice
Hmm, I think maybe this has been asked before. Maybe. Maybe search around a bit. Maybe.
Yeah, maybe once or twice
Worry less about the base stock, and more about certifications and additives.
Any good name-brand (and even most modern store brand) oils labeled as "synthetic" are going to get you where you want to go.
Any good name-brand (and even most modern store brand) oils labeled as "synthetic" are going to get you where you want to go.
Originally Posted by burla
Funny watching yaw'll restruscture his question for him. You are in the wrong place to ask about the highest quality base stocks bud, just a fact.
This coming from a guy that has been asked to provide proof (and not nonsense) of what's in Redline time and time again and hasn't.
Funny watching yaw'll restruscture his question for him. You are in the wrong place to ask about the highest quality base stocks bud, just a fact.
This coming from a guy that has been asked to provide proof (and not nonsense) of what's in Redline time and time again and hasn't.
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Originally Posted by python
i understand that..im trying to resolve a conflict..my coworker seems to think mobil 1 is true synthetic.. i was under the assumption that amsoil..royal purple...redline and liqui-moli were the only true syn. oils..0w-40 in mobil 1?
It was a while ago when Mobil had sued Castrol USA over the use of the word "synthetic" to describe Syntec. Fun days.
I remember at the time it was well known that Mobil 1 was IV/V, although they went to the "Tri-Synthetic" version that included another base oil, then their "Super-Syn" formula before they eventually started using different base fluids including Group III. Not sure if Mobil still uses Visom, which is their extremely high grade Group III+.
But if you're asking if Mobil is no longer just Group IV/V, then yeah.
i understand that..im trying to resolve a conflict..my coworker seems to think mobil 1 is true synthetic.. i was under the assumption that amsoil..royal purple...redline and liqui-moli were the only true syn. oils..0w-40 in mobil 1?
It was a while ago when Mobil had sued Castrol USA over the use of the word "synthetic" to describe Syntec. Fun days.
I remember at the time it was well known that Mobil 1 was IV/V, although they went to the "Tri-Synthetic" version that included another base oil, then their "Super-Syn" formula before they eventually started using different base fluids including Group III. Not sure if Mobil still uses Visom, which is their extremely high grade Group III+.
But if you're asking if Mobil is no longer just Group IV/V, then yeah.
Originally Posted by y_p_w
It was a while ago when Mobil had sued Castrol USA over the use of the word "synthetic" to describe Syntec. Fun days.
Had a disagreement with Castrol. No official lawsuit, just a challenge to using the word "Synthetic" to label a hydro-cracked Group III basestock.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/950311/
Originally Posted by G-MAN
I've posted several times about this, but the notion that there was some sort of lawsuit regarding the use of the term synthetic still persists and is attaining "urban legend" status.
There was not and never has been any suit AT LAW regarding the use of the term "synthetic" for Group III base oil, and no court or ALJ has made a ruling on this matter. Mobil simply filed a complaint with the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau in the US claiming that Castrol was engaging in false advertising by calling Syntec "full synthetic" since it was now being made with Group III base oil. Castrol was able to present enough "evidence" to convince the NAD that Group III base oil could legitimately be called synthetic, so they rulled in Castrol's favor. This ruling has no "legal" standing. It merely means that as far as the NAD is concerned, an oil company is not falsely advertising an oil as "full synthetic" if that oil is made from Group III base oil.
The NAD is merely a self-regulatory arm of the BBB and has no legal standing whatsoever in the U.S. Hence, their ruling in this matter does not make it "legal" to claim that a Group III oil is "synthetic." It merely means that for any entity willing to abide by the NAD's guidelines, a Group III oil can be ADVERTISED under those guidelines as a synthetic.
This excludes Germany because they have a law that specifically states that all Synthetics can't be Hydro Cracked Group III's.
It was a while ago when Mobil had sued Castrol USA over the use of the word "synthetic" to describe Syntec. Fun days.
Had a disagreement with Castrol. No official lawsuit, just a challenge to using the word "Synthetic" to label a hydro-cracked Group III basestock.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/950311/
Originally Posted by G-MAN
I've posted several times about this, but the notion that there was some sort of lawsuit regarding the use of the term synthetic still persists and is attaining "urban legend" status.
There was not and never has been any suit AT LAW regarding the use of the term "synthetic" for Group III base oil, and no court or ALJ has made a ruling on this matter. Mobil simply filed a complaint with the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau in the US claiming that Castrol was engaging in false advertising by calling Syntec "full synthetic" since it was now being made with Group III base oil. Castrol was able to present enough "evidence" to convince the NAD that Group III base oil could legitimately be called synthetic, so they rulled in Castrol's favor. This ruling has no "legal" standing. It merely means that as far as the NAD is concerned, an oil company is not falsely advertising an oil as "full synthetic" if that oil is made from Group III base oil.
The NAD is merely a self-regulatory arm of the BBB and has no legal standing whatsoever in the U.S. Hence, their ruling in this matter does not make it "legal" to claim that a Group III oil is "synthetic." It merely means that for any entity willing to abide by the NAD's guidelines, a Group III oil can be ADVERTISED under those guidelines as a synthetic.
This excludes Germany because they have a law that specifically states that all Synthetics can't be Hydro Cracked Group III's.
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Originally Posted by nthach
Red Line(NOT the OEM series)
Amsoil Signature Series(NOT XL OR OE)
Nissan Ester Engine Oil
And I think some Motul, if it doesn't say synthesis-technologie.
The Nissan is not 100% group IV/V it is only a small percentage of group V.
Red Line(NOT the OEM series)
Amsoil Signature Series(NOT XL OR OE)
Nissan Ester Engine Oil
And I think some Motul, if it doesn't say synthesis-technologie.
The Nissan is not 100% group IV/V it is only a small percentage of group V.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by burla
Funny watching yaw'll restruscture his question for him. You are in the wrong place to ask about the highest quality base stocks bud, just a fact.
This coming from a guy that has been asked to provide proof (and not nonsense) of what's in Redline time and time again and hasn't.
Because it is less than 10% group V.
Originally Posted by burla
Funny watching yaw'll restruscture his question for him. You are in the wrong place to ask about the highest quality base stocks bud, just a fact.
This coming from a guy that has been asked to provide proof (and not nonsense) of what's in Redline time and time again and hasn't.
Because it is less than 10% group V.
There is no "w" in ya'll
Originally Posted by python
so i use this as my bible for oil related info..you guys are the most informed,as far as im concerned...please tell me which oils are true synthetis group iv-v. and im referring to oils here in the states...not euro. thanks in advance
Add Mobil 1 AP 0W20 to a list of majority PAO.
My new VW has what it would think is a German LL synthetic in it. I start the car at -15C and I cannot even tell its a cold engine other than looking at the oil and coolant temp gauges. This is the performance I recall decades ago from True synthetics. I have not had that cold start "satisfaction" since I had Motul 8100 EcoNergy 5w30 in my old Suzuki Aerio 5 speed MT.
so i use this as my bible for oil related info..you guys are the most informed,as far as im concerned...please tell me which oils are true synthetis group iv-v. and im referring to oils here in the states...not euro. thanks in advance
Add Mobil 1 AP 0W20 to a list of majority PAO.
My new VW has what it would think is a German LL synthetic in it. I start the car at -15C and I cannot even tell its a cold engine other than looking at the oil and coolant temp gauges. This is the performance I recall decades ago from True synthetics. I have not had that cold start "satisfaction" since I had Motul 8100 EcoNergy 5w30 in my old Suzuki Aerio 5 speed MT.
What does it matter that your Suzuki had a MT ? Engine oil here.
Originally Posted by madeej11
What does it matter that your Suzuki had a MT ? Engine oil here.
Probably nothing. I have heard of some manual transmission cars where they installed a larger cooling system and/or used a bigger oil pan.
What does it matter that your Suzuki had a MT ? Engine oil here.
Probably nothing. I have heard of some manual transmission cars where they installed a larger cooling system and/or used a bigger oil pan.
lol..thanks guys!
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