BG MOA 110 vs 115; and EPR alternative?

[2226]

Been looking at BG EPR and MOA lately. Haven't purchased anything yet.

While looking on Amazon I can see 2 different BG MOA products: PN 110 and PN 115.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FX6N7DI/?coliid=I3OVO8IKNWU8U5
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T9P3M7Z/?coliid=I2WSG5EF08ZSPV

Does anyone know the difference?

SDS for 115: https://public.spheracloud.net/Pdf/3119445_1_1583399189.pdf
SDS for 110: https://public.spheracloud.net/Pdf/3118246_1_117545645.pdf

Seems 115 contains less "stuff". Might just be a can of parafin.

As for the EPR ...
this seems like some "real good stuff". However, no can ship to South Africa and no distributor around here.
I'm interested in it due to suspected sticky oil rings.
What alternatives to EPR are out there? I am going to test out some Ravenol Professional Engine Cleaner on upcoming oil change and it seems to also brag about ring deposit removal.

I know Berryman B-12 is also highly recommended for sticky oil rings and trying to deal with high oil consumption in a GDI turbo engine, but again I can't seem to get this stuff imported.

 

[Brian123]

Sounds like you need to take a drive 2 your favorite auto parts store and see what they have in stock.

 

[CleanSump]

You don't say what vehicle you plan to use it in.
Surely you can get a high ester oil like Motul 300V in SA.

 

[2226]

Sorry, it's a 2017 VW Cross Polo 1.2TSI (CJZD engine).
66,000km on it.
Oil change this weekend and filling with Ravenol VST 5W40. Just over 5,000 miles since last change.

I'll give the Ravenol Pro cleaner a try for now. Just curious on those differences with the MOA.

 

[2226]

You don't say what vehicle you plan to use it in.
Surely you can get a high ester oil like Motul 300V in SA.

Not technical on oils, etc.
What would the high ester oil do?
Just looking quickly at this: https://www.motul.com/cz/en/products/300v-power-5w40--2

 

[2013ecof150]

110 is the old formula. 115 is the newer one. I believe is lspi safe as well

 

[CleanSump]

Not technical on oils, etc.
What would the high ester oil do?
Just looking quickly at this: https://www.motul.com/cz/en/products/300v-power-5w40--2

The Esters will slowly, but surely, clean the gunk out of the rings. Just use the oil for regular OCI. That way you don't have to use a flush product and worry if it's safe for your engine seals and whatnot.
Of course, you can use a flush before changing to the Motul.

 

[2226]

Thank you.
Ran some Ravenol engine cleaner through today and put in fresh Ravenol VST 5W-40.
Time for plugs too so will order this week and when they're out I'll do compression test just to get base numbers.

So I wound up with Ravenol VST as it meets VW 502 00. Was informed to avoid other VW requirements due to our high sulphur content fuels. Would Motul 300V have similar concern?

 

[2226]

The Esters will slowly, but surely, clean the gunk out of the rings. Just use the oil for regular OCI. That way you don't have to use a flush product and worry if it's safe for your engine seals and whatnot.
Of course, you can use a flush before changing to the Motul.

Time to do oil change. Going to try the Motul in a 5W40.

I can get a Motul Power 5W40 in 2L cans ($85 for 4L).
Then someone else is selling Motul Competition 5W40 in 2L cans ($100 for 4L).

The Power is available here:
https://www.modernautoparts.co.za/products/motul-300v-racing-5w40-2l

Have used this store before for brakes without issue. Unfortunately this page goes from "Power" to "Racing" to "Trophy" in one quick swoop.

Competition 5W40 available here, but on request:
https://1strace.co.za/collections/motul/products/motul-300v-competition-5w-40-2l

Should I aim for the Competition 5W40?

 

[50yr Street Mech]

I use the EPR 109 as a flush, then add the 115 to synthetic oil. Been doing this for years in my 13' CRV with the K-24 & an 03' Toyota Solara with the 2AZ-FE engine. Keeps the piston rings from getting stuck. 13' CRV has 615k on it , Toyota has 130K on it. I find the oil stays cleaner in between oil changes. Do oil and filters every 3K on them. If I'm not mistaken, the PN 115 is for synthetic oil. No issues with the engines using this. Can get a combo pretty cheap on E-Bay, with free shipping

 

[2226]

Wish I could get that stuff here.
Impossible to ship. Even CRC GDI IVD valve/turbo cleaner is no longer available here; replace with EU politically correct version which is just an expensive can of naptha by the looks of it and stinks to high heaven with no effect.

 

[97prizm]

Been looking at BG EPR and MOA lately. Haven't purchased anything yet.

While looking on Amazon I can see 2 different BG MOA products: PN 110 and PN 115.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FX6N7DI/?coliid=I3OVO8IKNWU8U5
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T9P3M7Z/?coliid=I2WSG5EF08ZSPV

Does anyone know the difference?

SDS for 115: https://public.spheracloud.net/Pdf/3119445_1_1583399189.pdf
SDS for 110: https://public.spheracloud.net/Pdf/3118246_1_117545645.pdf

Seems 115 contains less "stuff". Might just be a can of parafin.

As for the EPR ...
this seems like some "real good stuff". However, no can ship to South Africa and no distributor around here.
I'm interested in it due to suspected sticky oil rings.
What alternatives to EPR are out there? I am going to test out some Ravenol Professional Engine Cleaner on upcoming oil change and it seems to also brag about ring deposit removal.

I know Berryman B-12 is also highly recommended for sticky oil rings and trying to deal with high oil consumption in a GDI turbo engine, but again I can't seem to get this stuff imported.

Can you get BG 44K OR BG Platinum?

 

[50yr Street Mech]

What's the difference between 115 and BG 44K or BG Platinum ? Is the 44 or Platinum better ?? Is the 44 a cleaner and Platinum a treatment ???