Best winter tires I’ve ever owned!

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Well, the time has now come to say goodbye to winter tires that I never dreamed would last this long. Seven years ago, Cooper Dicoverer stud capable tires were put on my CRV. And remarkably, they performed for seven winters. They were also left on for two summers during this seven year.period. (long story that included a trip down to Florida and back). And the mileage on these tires is somewhere between 75 and 80,000 KMs. Even more interesting is that they have no cracks or splits in them. Just some very minute crazing on the outer sidewall. (inspected by two tire dealers and given the OK for safety. Granted, they’re not quite as soft and grippy as they were when they were new and they were never quiet tires or soft riding to begin with.

All of this, of course begs the question as to why I’m not going back with these. I checked a year ago and I believe they were still offered by Cooper although they may have been replaced since then with an updated series. The reason I’m not going back with these is because I’m not going back with winter tires at all. Here in Southern Ontario, we live in an urban area where the roads are ploughed and salted with incredible precision and consistency. And so the tires going on the CRV this week are the same as those that I put on the LeSabre last fall. They are Michelin cross climate 2’s, which have been impressive not only in the winter conditions that we have here in this area, but also as an all season year-round tire. (both sets were purchased through Costco.) Now, if I lived in a remote area where ploughing is not as disciplined, I believe a dedicated winter tire would still make sense. But for my needs here, this new category of all weather tires has now made it possible for me to give up the winter wheels and the semi annual ritual of having to swap from all seasons to winter tires. But I have to say, for anyone who needs winter tires, these Cooper lasted longer than any other snow tires I’ve ever seen. Took this photo right before they were removed and sent into tire recycling heaven.

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Not according to Discount Tire. They list the tire as a winter tire. Besides, it is studdable. Only winter tires are studdable.
It's a bit of a confusing tire, studdable certainly says snow. But I've never seen a snow tire called M+S which generally means mud and snow. Either way at least they've worked out for the OP.
 
It's a bit of a confusing tire, studdable certainly says snow. But I've never seen a snow tire called M+S which generally means mud and snow. Either way at least they've worked out for the OP.
Snow tires meet the geometric description for M+S so they get the designation. Here is the Michelin X-Ice Snow designated for Winter, 3PMS, M+S and EV as an example:
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Well, the time has now come to say goodbye to winter tires that I never dreamed would last this long. Seven years ago, Cooper Dicoverer stud capable tires were put on my CRV. And remarkably, they performed for seven winters. They were also left on for two summers during this seven year.period. (long story that included a trip down to Florida and back). And the mileage on these tires is somewhere between 75 and 80,000 KMs. Even more interesting is that they have no cracks or splits in them. Just some very minute crazing on the outer sidewall. (inspected by two tire dealers and given the OK for safety. Granted, they’re not quite as soft and grippy as they were when they were new and they were never quiet tires or soft riding to begin with.

All of this, of course begs the question as to why I’m not going back with these. I checked a year ago and I believe they were still offered by Cooper although they may have been replaced since then with an updated series. The reason I’m not going back with these is because I’m not going back with winter tires at all. Here in Southern Ontario, we live in an urban area where the roads are ploughed and salted with incredible precision and consistency. And so the tires going on the CRV this week are the same as those that I put on the LeSabre last fall. They are Michelin cross climate 2’s, which have been impressive not only in the winter conditions that we have here in this area, but also as an all season year-round tire. (both sets were purchased through Costco.) Now, if I lived in a remote area where ploughing is not as disciplined, I believe a dedicated winter tire would still make sense. But for my needs here, this new category of all weather tires has now made it possible for me to give up the winter wheels and the semi annual ritual of having to swap from all seasons to winter tires. But I have to say, for anyone who needs winter tires, these Cooper lasted longer than any other snow tires I’ve ever seen. Took this photo right before they were removed and sent into tire recycling heaven.

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Sorry but just saw this thread now. Are you saying you drove to Florida with studs on your tires, isn't that illegal? Plus you left them on in summer in Ontario? I don't get it. I believe they're illegal here in Quebec between May and October. Wouldn't the noise be annoying too?
 
Sorry but just saw this thread now. Are you saying you drove to Florida with studs on your tires, isn't that illegal? Plus you left them on in summer in Ontario? I don't get it. I believe they're illegal here in Quebec between May and October. Wouldn't the noise be annoying too?
He mentioned they were just stud capable, not that he had them studded. My guess is they did not have the studs if he ran them two summers.

I had that same set of Coopers on a Subaru Forester. They work great, but I think followed the older model of a regular tread compound and lots of sipes. Wear like iron but aren't super great in icy conditions. (Hence why you could add the studs). For my use I never go studded, but lots of folks prefer it.
 
He mentioned they were just stud capable, not that he had them studded. My guess is they did not have the studs if he ran them two summers.

I had that same set of Coopers on a Subaru Forester. They work great, but I think followed the older model of a regular tread compound and lots of sipes. Wear like iron but aren't super great in icy conditions. (Hence why you could add the studs). For my use I never go studded, but lots of folks prefer it.
I believe you are correct sir. Jumped the gun so to speak. Thanks.
 
when i worked on construction +we got more snow in PA 4 pilot alpin mich real snow tyres worked great on my 2001 jetta on dedicated wheels so when well worn they stayed on until totally worn, then new for next winter!!! narrow tires are best in snow, wider tire are like skis!!!
 
Well, the time has now come to say goodbye to winter tires that I never dreamed would last this long. Seven years ago, Cooper Dicoverer stud capable tires were put on my CRV. And remarkably, they performed for seven winters. They were also left on for two summers during this seven year.period. (long story that included a trip down to Florida and back). And the mileage on these tires is somewhere between 75 and 80,000 KMs. Even more interesting is that they have no cracks or splits in them. Just some very minute crazing on the outer sidewall. (inspected by two tire dealers and given the OK for safety. Granted, they’re not quite as soft and grippy as they were when they were new and they were never quiet tires or soft riding to begin with.

All of this, of course begs the question as to why I’m not going back with these. I checked a year ago and I believe they were still offered by Cooper although they may have been replaced since then with an updated series. The reason I’m not going back with these is because I’m not going back with winter tires at all. Here in Southern Ontario, we live in an urban area where the roads are ploughed and salted with incredible precision and consistency. And so the tires going on the CRV this week are the same as those that I put on the LeSabre last fall. They are Michelin cross climate 2’s, which have been impressive not only in the winter conditions that we have here in this area, but also as an all season year-round tire. (both sets were purchased through Costco.) Now, if I lived in a remote area where ploughing is not as disciplined, I believe a dedicated winter tire would still make sense. But for my needs here, this new category of all weather tires has now made it possible for me to give up the winter wheels and the semi annual ritual of having to swap from all seasons to winter tires. But I have to say, for anyone who needs winter tires, these Cooper lasted longer than any other snow tires I’ve ever seen. Took this photo right before they were removed and sent into tire recycling heaven.

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Could yo provide link pls? Cant find them in my costco
 
The best snow tires I ever owned were Bridgestone Blizzaks. They had air injected into the compound. When those air bubbles were broken into they were like suction cups on ice, and they would squeal like sneakers on a gym floor. I ran them on a 94 T Bird, and commuted 100 miles a day in upstate New York. They had a little squirm to them as the compound was quite soft, but they always got me home safe.
 
It's a bit of a confusing tire, studdable certainly says snow. But I've never seen a snow tire called M+S which generally means mud and snow. Either way at least they've worked out for the OP.
The M+S designation means only that they have 25% open tread.

The 3 peak with snowflake designation is a performance-based test. The test is a new tire only a straight line acceleration test at moderate temp on packed snow, but it’s better than nothing.

Here’s a comprehensive winter tire test, with the CrossClimate2 as a control.

https://www.tire-reviews.com/Article/2024-Nordic-Friction-Winter-Tire-Test.htm

The CrossClimate is by far the best performing tire in dry and wet, but performance on snow lags behind and ice, far behind the best dedicated winter tires.

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