Best over the counter spin-on bypass option?

[md_lucky_13]

Hello All!

I built a bypass system for my truck several years ago. At the time, I used a Wix filter base (part #24755) with 5/8-18 threads. I have been using Wix filters 51050, hastings B50, etc. as the filters since I built it. It has been a great system and I'm looking to do something similar again.

I just picked up a new commuter car and I want to do a bypass filter for it, also. It is a 2009 Ford Focus (if anyone has done a bypass and would like to share pics/info!).

I'm curious what everyone is using for filter bases and filters. I'm also going to need an adapter or a way to get at the oil (once again, I would appreciate any pics/info from other focus owners).

Thank you very much for the help in advance!

 

[md_lucky_13]

Just wanted to add quickly that if someone has installed a TP based filter on a second gen focus I would love to know more about how it went.

I've never run a TP element bypass, but I'm considering it.

 

[Highline9]

I run these on my rides. With amsoil filters, easy install.

http://paretopoint.com/item--TopDog-V--topdogv_s.html

 

[Jim Allen]

I agree! For passenger cars, with limited underhood space and few options for hooking up an oil line, the parallel flow Pareto Point products look to be the simplest setup out there. The hoses connect to a base that mounts under the oil filter.

I am using one of their bases to feed a bypass filter. I had trouble hooking a Racor ABS bypass filter to my 5.4L (only one tap into the lube circuit and it's very inaccessible). It works great for that as well.

Note that if you want to use a Pareto base for parallel flow, the only filter they know works properly is the Amsoil included with the kit. The parallel flow concept won't work if the filter is too restrictive. The Amsoil has just the right flow characteristics to work.

 

[md_lucky_13]

Excellent suggestions. Where do you source your filters? I'm curious what a replacement filter will run.

Thanks again!

 

[mangusta1969]

I am also thinking of using the Pareto magnetic base plate/adapter to supply the bypass oil to a separately mounted Baldwin B164 cartridge filter. This filter is normally used as a bypass filter in hydraulic systems and has had some pretty decent feedback on it with respect to before and after installation particle counts.

The Amsoil bypass filter cartridges are very efficient at filtering small wear particles and use synthetic media (actually made by Baldwin), but they are also big and expensive (around $40 each, not including shipping).

If the B164 cartridge doesn't heat up in my planned installation (indicating good oil flow) using the Pareto parallel flow circuit, I'll just change the oil return location to a no pressure area like an oil filler cap or a modified dipstick tube. B164 cartridges are about $8. I would think the B164 cartridges are actually less restrictive than the Amsoil EaBP cartridges since the B164 absolute micron ratings are not as good as the Amsoil cartridges, but my system is only in the planning stage right now. I'll post some feedback on my setup and test results once I get the system glued together.

BTW, I have used a Frantz TP bypass filter on a high performance Ford 351 Cleveland for the last 25 years. It has had absolutely no problems with leaking and has done a good job at keeping the Mobil 1 oil looking good and the motor is still running strong. It is just a little painful to change elements, mostly due to my restricted access mounting location.

 

[md_lucky_13]

Well, I decided to just bite the bullet and order the pareto setup. I like the simplicity, and I'll just fight to find the filters when the time comes. If anyone has a great place to order those filters from I would still like to know!

mangusta your idea sounds very similar to how I did my pickup. Here is a picture of what I did on that setup. It has worked flawlessly for over 100,000 miles now. I really hope the pareto unit works as well, especially since it costs me almost 4 times what my homemade unit did!!!

 

[mangusta1969]

md_lucky,

Please let us know how your Pareto system works out and post some pix of your completed installation. Which size EaBP filter are you getting with your order? I need to check with Pareto, myself. Before Christmas, they were out of adapter plate sizes to fit the V8 on my Jeep Grand Cherokee. Did you go with the magnetic version with Pareto?

That's a nice installation on your truck. It's pretty important to have really clean oil on a turbocharged vehicle as the bearing clearances are very small and the turbine rpms are way up there. Thats why I installed an Oilguard system on a turbocharged BMW years ago. Did you ever have any particle analyses done on your truck setup?

I thought the Pareto system prices were fairly reasonable, considering all the hardware in their kit and the base price of the Amsoil components they are using in it.

 

[md_lucky_13]

I didn't opt for the magnetic option. I just went with their standard $190 kit for smaller vehicles.

I've always slapped a few magnets on the bottoms of my filters though. I have a few transmission magnets stuck to the bottom of both filters on the truck (they are just about the perfect size.) I will probably do the same on this setup.

I also do not know the size of the filter. I just provided my info. Are there different sizes available with the same filter base? If so, I may look to squeeze the largest filter available in somewhere. It is a darn tight fit under this hood, especially after I'm used to working on the pickup!

 

[md_lucky_13]

I had to do some digging to find any of my last oil analysis... I haven't done one in a long time.

. I basically used them to figure out a good change interval and then stopped.

The truck really lives an abused life. Bigger injectors, injector pump, 50psi boost, lower compression. It tows heavy and frequently sees high rpms and hard driving. For the oil to come back as clean as they said, I was VERY happy.

 

[mangusta1969]

50 psi is a huge amount of boost. I can only run about 11 psi on my Dinan turbo BMW or I get into heavy detonation.

Thanks for digging up your old oil analysis and posting it. Those numbers look good. For comparison purposes, did you ever have an oil analysis done before installing your B50 DIY setup? Was your bypass system initially installed in Feb 2006? Did you ever try B164 or BT341 bypass filter cartridges? The B164 is the long version of the B50 you were using; the BT341 is another bypass filter from Baldwin. I don't know if there are any media or absolute micron filtering differences, as compared to the B50 cartridges.

WRT your EaBP filter questions, Amsoil used to offer three different filter sizes, all with the same diameters (appx 5") and large threaded fittings for the spin on elements. The only difference was in the length:
EaBP90 5.78" length Price appx $38
EaBP100 7.25" appx $41
EaBP110 10.44" appx $48

There is also a newer filter element, EaBP120, with a 12.12" cartridge length. It's a pricey devil, at about $55 each. Hope this helps.

In an earlier post, I stated that Baldwin made the synthetic media used in the Amsoil EaBP bypass filters. I think that statement was incorrect and I am pretty certain that Donaldson is the media manufacturer for the Amsoil EaBP filter cartridges.

 

[mangusta1969]

Amsoil doesn't seem to want us to know some of its EaBP specifications for its line of bypass cartridges. Here is some additional information for the curious:

Seal O.D. is 2.845" and I.D. is 2.460"
The thread size appears to be a 1.000"-16 threads per inch

The 1"-16 size is not a common one, probably chosen by Amsoil to prevent installation of full flow filters on its bypass mount (and vice versa) to prevent installation of a bypass filter cartridge on a full flow mount.

 

[azsynthetic]

The EaBP120 has a different thread than the other three shorter ones so beware. I have Amsoil bypass filters on all of my vehicles except for motorcycles.

 

[dvldoc]

Cheapest bypass kit is a basic remote filter kit, a 3/4 16 to 1-16" thread adapter and a Baldwin BD7317 which is a dual element filter and 5 micron nominal rating. filter cost 12 bucks online.

Second option is the LF9028 which is 96% effiecent at 5 microns, cost 23 bucks at filterbarn. It's a venturi combo filter.

The Baldwin is it's direct cross. This is the set up I now have for one of my vehicles overseas and what I am putting on my wife's Altima 2.5 for extended oil change intervals.

Both of them a lot cheaper than Amsoil filters, cars get 100's of thousands of miles on over the counter filter so I figure 5 microns is a good cost effective choice.

 

[slalom44]

Does the Pareto system have a biasing valve? I'm curious on how it diverts oil to the bypass filter and how much backpressure this setup has.

 

[md_lucky_13]

I have not tried the B164! I think that will happen on the next change.

I THINK the first 2 oil changes with the analysis were with no bypass filter installed. Maybe just the first. I honestly cannot remember back that long.

I got an e-mail that the bypass would likely ship last Friday. No updates since, so I hope that it is on the way! I dropped the transmission pan and installed a new drain plug and a new filter. I was planning on doing the bypass filter when I changed the oil, but I think I will just do it when it shows up and be done with it.

I also found out how [censored] hard it is to find Mercon LV for these cars. And, man.. that stuff STINKS. Even fresh out of the bottle it has a certain.. lingering order.. that I just can't describe. Unlike any transmission fluid I've ever been around. Silly modern vehicles.

 

[Highline9]

Originally Posted By: slalom44
Does the Pareto system have a biasing valve? I'm curious on how it diverts oil to the bypass filter and how much backpressure this setup has.


No valve, just flows oil in parallel. The return port to the engine looked like an 1\8 inch. System has to run a bypass filter that is not a restriction or oil will try to go only through the primary filter.

 

[mangusta1969]

Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
The EaBP120 has a different thread than the other three shorter ones so beware. I have Amsoil bypass filters on all of my vehicles except for motorcycles.


The thread size for the Amsoil EaBP120 spin on filter element is 1 1/2-16, while the EaBP90, EaBP100 and EaBP110 filter elements all use a 1"-16 threads/inch size.

 

[mangusta1969]

Originally Posted By: dvldoc
Cheapest bypass kit is a basic remote filter kit, a 3/4 16 to 1-16" thread adapter and a Baldwin BD7317 which is a dual element filter and 5 micron nominal rating. filter cost 12 bucks online.


Dvldoc,

That Baldwin BD7317 is an interesting filter design in that it actually consists of two different filter elements inside the canister. One element is a full flow filter with a typical 20-40 micron rating; the other element is a nominal 5 micron bypass filter.

However, if you install the BD7317 in a typical bypass filter installation where you are returning filtered oil to a no pressure area like the oil pan or to an oil cap, won't all of the oil just go through the full flow part of the filter canister, due to the lack of any restrictions in the return oil path? What would cause part of the oil to flow through the much more restrictive bypass part of the filter? I would think that proper operation of this dual element filter would require that it be installed in a non-bypass system, as the Baldwin filter engineers intended.

 

[txgp17]

Originally Posted By: mangusta1969
The 1"-16 size is not a common one, probably chosen by Amsoil to prevent installation of full flow filters on its bypass mount (and vice versa) to prevent installation of a bypass filter cartridge on a full flow mount.
Despite me having one on my truck, I think the Amsoil small bypass filters are way overpriced (EaBp90, 100, and 110), but the EaBp120 isn't IMHO. It is HUGE, but you'll have to make your own oil flow restrictor because it's designed for a larger diesel engines.

If you're out and about and have a problem with a smaller series, you can use a filter for a Dodge/Cummins ISB oil filter for temporary repair. But not one from an ISB in a medium duty application.

If you're using the EaBp120 and it get's damaged, you just slap any regular 7.3L Powerstroke filter on it, or a Donaldson ELF7405 or P554005, or any comparable CAT filter with 1 1/2”-16 thread can be used.