Best filter for $6 or under
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AlexD, in your post, you had the ratings of SuperTech, K&N and Mobil 1 filters, and it appears that you got the info from Champion Labs. Does this mean that Champion Labs makes the Mobil 1 filters? I sell M-1 filters in my stores,and they come from Purolater, obvious by the packaging and the stock #'s. However, I have noticed that the M-1 filters used to be all white, but now some of them are gray. Is there any significance to this, like maybe they come from different manufacturers. Thanks, Kit.
Mobil 1 filters are made by Champion. The color change from white to grey corresponded with the switch to a silcone anti-drainback valve. The white ones had a nitrile valve.quote:
Originally posted by cobravenom71:
AlexD, in your post, you had the ratings of SuperTech, K&N and Mobil 1 filters, and it appears that you got the info from Champion Labs. Does this mean that Champion Labs makes the Mobil 1 filters? I sell M-1 filters in my stores,and they come from Purolater, obvious by the packaging and the stock #'s. However, I have noticed that the M-1 filters used to be all white, but now some of them are gray. Is there any significance to this, like maybe they come from different manufacturers. Thanks, Kit.
joee12, you are absolutely right. I was wasting time at Autozone today and noticed the smaller Bosch filters had no spring, but the oversize filter for my car had the spring, however it was in the base, which is supposed to be better anyway. Maybe I'll switch to the oversize Bosch, since other people seem to be using the larger Mobil M1-105 and K&N HP-1005 for their Hondas without a problem.
Sorry to be so
but I noticed something else while at Autozone. (The people there must think I'm insane because I rarely purchase anything. I just come in and open different boxes of oil filters in different sizes, examine the filters, then leave.)
Anyway, to the point... Champion has changed the gasket on their filters from that round taper to a square edge and although it still says "internally lubricated" or something to that effect on the box it doesn't rotate like the old design. While at Walmart a while ago I checked out the Supertech and noticed the same thing, but some of the Supertechs no longer had that "Y" stamp, but i think "W" or something, I can't remember. It just didn't look like a Champion filter. I wonder if Champion still makes all the Supertech filters?
Sorry to be so
Champion still makes the Supertech. Don't feel bad, you are not the only lunatic on this board that spends time milling through the oil filters at storesquote:
Originally posted by JPowers:
joee12, you are absolutely right. I was wasting time at Autozone today and noticed the smaller Bosch filters had no spring, but the oversize filter for my car had the spring, however it was in the base, which is supposed to be better anyway. Maybe I'll switch to the oversize Bosch, since other people seem to be using the larger Mobil M1-105 and K&N HP-1005 for their Hondas without a problem.
Sorry to be sobut I noticed something else while at Autozone. (The people there must think I'm insane because I rarely purchase anything. I just come in and open different boxes of oil filters in different sizes, examine the filters, then leave.)Anyway, to the point... Champion has changed the gasket on their filters from that round taper to a square edge and although it still says "internally lubricated" or something to that effect on the box it doesn't rotate like the old design. While at Walmart a while ago I checked out the Supertech and noticed the same thing, but some of the Supertechs no longer had that "Y" stamp, but i think "W" or something, I can't remember. It just didn't look like a Champion filter. I wonder if Champion still makes all the Supertech filters?
ACDelco!!! In the good old days I could pick them up at K-Mart for $2 or $2.50. They have become hard to find. I think I can still pick up a PF52 at Advance Auto for under $3. Unfortunately they don't stock the PF1177 and PF2244G that I need now. After cutting a couple open and finding the PF 52 on my daughter's Barretta was exactly the same inside as the PF 47 for my Grand Am, except for more filter area, I switched the Grand Am to the PF52 too. Since ACDelco changed their part numbers I have had trouble finding the PF 1177 that replaced the PF9 that I used on my 1977 LUV ever since it was new. Cutting open used oil filters is a little messy, but very informative. Yes the real ACDelco does have a lot more filter area. Most of the after market stuff falls in a tight group except Fram with less than half as much filter area. I am very disappointed to see a fine old name like that fair so poorly. Here is the data for anybody who cares. I threw in the Miata figures after my son changed the filter on his when he was home over Christmas. The Miata filter would fit my LUV truck. He pays the dealer big bucks for less filter area than anybody except Fram.
Brand P/N Length width area, sq. in Fits
AC Delco PF9 102 2 1/2 255 1977 Chevy LUV
STP S02856A 108 1 3/4 189 ''
Purolator L10193 105 1 3/4 184 ''
Power Flo SL 14619 76 2 3/8 180 ''
Hastings LF143 71 2 1/2 178 ''
Super Tech ST3950 98 1 3/4 171 ''
Fram PH 3950 48 1 3/4 84 ''
Miata B6Y214302 69 1 3/4 121 1991 Roadster
AC Delco PF2244G* 46 3 138 2002 Caviler
*The AC and Fram both say PURFLUX L264A on the end of the plastic housing. I am rather burned about paying $8 for the PF2244G which is only a cartridge, without any steel shell. I had been buying Frams, but when I went to buy one this week, I found a cheap looking thing in the Fram box in place of the PURFLUX L264A. I ended up buying a STP at Auto Zone for $8 that didn't look much better.
Brand P/N Length width area, sq. in Fits
AC Delco PF9 102 2 1/2 255 1977 Chevy LUV
STP S02856A 108 1 3/4 189 ''
Purolator L10193 105 1 3/4 184 ''
Power Flo SL 14619 76 2 3/8 180 ''
Hastings LF143 71 2 1/2 178 ''
Super Tech ST3950 98 1 3/4 171 ''
Fram PH 3950 48 1 3/4 84 ''
Miata B6Y214302 69 1 3/4 121 1991 Roadster
AC Delco PF2244G* 46 3 138 2002 Caviler
*The AC and Fram both say PURFLUX L264A on the end of the plastic housing. I am rather burned about paying $8 for the PF2244G which is only a cartridge, without any steel shell. I had been buying Frams, but when I went to buy one this week, I found a cheap looking thing in the Fram box in place of the PURFLUX L264A. I ended up buying a STP at Auto Zone for $8 that didn't look much better.
Bosch Premium uses a by-pass with questionalbe sealing abilities,mode operation,and had bad experiences with them on my vehicle...wouldn't buy them again.I'm using the Purolater Premium Plus.
dont know how good they are, but i buy oem toyota filters for 5.95 and oem hyundai filters for 4.95 they both look like the same filter except for the color, but that price at the dealer is as good or better than a pur-one at murrays.
hehe this is why i go to 3 differnt auto zones. i have the impression that others think im an idiot cause i compare and contrast every single filter for like 10 minutes and then leave. hehe its funnie.
i got a questiona bout the purolater premium plus..where do i find it...ill do a search on the flow rates and the micron level though...i am starting to steer away from bosch ever sincei heard of those bypass systems. im using supertech now but i want something that can filter smaller...thanks
i got a questiona bout the purolater premium plus..where do i find it...ill do a search on the flow rates and the micron level though...i am starting to steer away from bosch ever sincei heard of those bypass systems. im using supertech now but i want something that can filter smaller...thanks
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Originally posted by JPowers:
joee12, you are absolutely right. I was wasting time at Autozone today and noticed the smaller Bosch filters had no spring, but the oversize filter for my car had the spring, however it was in the base, which is supposed to be better anyway. Maybe I'll switch to the oversize Bosch, since other people seem to be using the larger Mobil M1-105 and K&N HP-1005 for their Hondas without a problem.
Sorry to be sobut I noticed something else while at Autozone. (The people there must think I'm insane because I rarely purchase anything. I just come in and open different boxes of oil filters in different sizes, examine the filters, then leave.)Anyway, to the point... Champion has changed the gasket on their filters from that round taper to a square edge and although it still says "internally lubricated" or something to that effect on the box it doesn't rotate like the old design. While at Walmart a while ago I checked out the Supertech and noticed the same thing, but some of the Supertechs no longer had that "Y" stamp, but i think "W" or something, I can't remember. It just didn't look like a Champion filter. I wonder if Champion still makes all the Supertech filters?
It's funny that you mention that. After having drainback valve failures on three Champion Filters(2 Supertech and 1 K&N), and valvetrain noise at startup from a Bosch Premium, I will no longer use Champion filters. Every one that I have cut open has had a wad of glue dried over the paper element. -Joe
I've tried just about every widely available filter out there, and my best one has been an OVERSIZED Purolator Premium Plus.
I have a 3.1L V-6 in the car, and the filter is for the 4.3L V-6 (both Chevy's).
BTW, I tried the PureOne filter and noticed A LOT of lifter ticking at startup...went away with the cheaper Premium Plus Purolator.
I have a 3.1L V-6 in the car, and the filter is for the 4.3L V-6 (both Chevy's).
BTW, I tried the PureOne filter and noticed A LOT of lifter ticking at startup...went away with the cheaper Premium Plus Purolator.
i would say the best oil filter you can buy for under $6 is an oversize pure1.
the pure 1 has a super great low micron filtering capability, but it doesnt flow to good. so buy an oversize version which gives more surface area to make it flow good and enjoy the great micron rating.
the pure 1 has a super great low micron filtering capability, but it doesnt flow to good. so buy an oversize version which gives more surface area to make it flow good and enjoy the great micron rating.
MANN filters are the best! They are generally priced at around $4 in the US. They are very lavishly constructed, with expensive materials and most perfect workmanship. Made in Germany.
They are available at foreign parts stores, both locally and on the Internet.
They are available at foreign parts stores, both locally and on the Internet.
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It's funny that you mention that. After having drainback valve failures on three Champion Filters(2 Supertech and 1 K&N), and valvetrain noise at startup from a Bosch Premium, I will no longer use Champion filters. Every one that I have cut open has had a wad of glue dried over the paper element. -Joe
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Joee, can you elaborate on this comment? I thought K&Ns were first rate filters?
-Paul
It's funny that you mention that. After having drainback valve failures on three Champion Filters(2 Supertech and 1 K&N), and valvetrain noise at startup from a Bosch Premium, I will no longer use Champion filters. Every one that I have cut open has had a wad of glue dried over the paper element. -Joe
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Joee, can you elaborate on this comment? I thought K&Ns were first rate filters?
-Paul
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Just FYI, for those that are worried about antidrainback valve failures, the Wix/NAPA Gold/Carquest Premium all use a silicone antidrainback valve, which is more durable than nitrile. The K&N uses nitrile actually, like most filters on the market.
purolator PURE ONE(one in this category) does not come with an anti drain back valve. this was sent to me from an email just today. i posted it in another forum. till this day i thought all filters had anti drain back valves, even frams.
"The 1991 Honda Accord with a 2.2L engine is cataloged to use the Purolator
PureOne PL14459.
The PL14459 has a pressure relief valve setting of 12 to 15 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL14460 has a pressure relief valve setting of 8 to 10 psi, and it does
not contain an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL14620 has a pressure relief valve setting of 14 to 18 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL14622 has a pressure relief valve setting of 14 to 18 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL10193 has a pressure relief valve setting of 15 to 18 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The filtration standard for automotive filters it 10 to 40 microns
with varying efficiencies. The PureOne filter series uses a patented blend
of cellulose and synthetic filter media which increases its efficiency with
regard to particles of smaller micron sizes from 30 to 50 percent over the
standard filter media. The PureOne also utilizes a heavy duty can and
contains silicon gaskets and anti-drain-back valves which have greater
durability than the standard rubber.
Tom Duvall (Catalog Research)"
"The 1991 Honda Accord with a 2.2L engine is cataloged to use the Purolator
PureOne PL14459.
The PL14459 has a pressure relief valve setting of 12 to 15 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL14460 has a pressure relief valve setting of 8 to 10 psi, and it does
not contain an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL14620 has a pressure relief valve setting of 14 to 18 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL14622 has a pressure relief valve setting of 14 to 18 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The PL10193 has a pressure relief valve setting of 15 to 18 psi, and it
contains an anti-drain-back valve.
The filtration standard for automotive filters it 10 to 40 microns
with varying efficiencies. The PureOne filter series uses a patented blend
of cellulose and synthetic filter media which increases its efficiency with
regard to particles of smaller micron sizes from 30 to 50 percent over the
standard filter media. The PureOne also utilizes a heavy duty can and
contains silicon gaskets and anti-drain-back valves which have greater
durability than the standard rubber.
Tom Duvall (Catalog Research)"
June update,
Picked up a Hastings LF 548 yesterday for $7. It was a Purflux
L264A identical to the AC's I bought from my dealer and the Frams
Walmart had for a while. Last year my Chevy dealer stuck me for
$8 bucks on them, and the facial expressions left me seething and
not wanting to do business with them. Maybe for my September oil
change, I will see if the price and service are better under the new
owner.
I removed the STP 9018R I used last time. Much to my surprise, it
had 141 sq. in. filter area to the 121 of the Purflux/AC. As
compared to to the PF 1177 for my truck, the STP was the best of 6
after market filters, but only had 72% as much filter area as the AC.
The STP had 64 straight pleats. The Purflux has 50 compressed
into a zig-zag pattern.
Purflux, made in France, bought as AC, Hastings, and Fram
STP, made in Korea
Fram, currently on shelf at Wal-Mart, made in Korea, not identical
to STP.
Picked up a Hastings LF 548 yesterday for $7. It was a Purflux
L264A identical to the AC's I bought from my dealer and the Frams
Walmart had for a while. Last year my Chevy dealer stuck me for
$8 bucks on them, and the facial expressions left me seething and
not wanting to do business with them. Maybe for my September oil
change, I will see if the price and service are better under the new
owner.
I removed the STP 9018R I used last time. Much to my surprise, it
had 141 sq. in. filter area to the 121 of the Purflux/AC. As
compared to to the PF 1177 for my truck, the STP was the best of 6
after market filters, but only had 72% as much filter area as the AC.
The STP had 64 straight pleats. The Purflux has 50 compressed
into a zig-zag pattern.
Purflux, made in France, bought as AC, Hastings, and Fram
STP, made in Korea
Fram, currently on shelf at Wal-Mart, made in Korea, not identical
to STP.
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