OVERKILL
Calling people idiots has nothing to do with making a point, it’s just deeply satisfying. My points are being interpreted incorrectly, or paraphrased incorrectly. Another way of saying “words put in that were not mine to begin with”. Shannow incorrectly paraphrased “universal” for oil when I actually said “perfect”. Garak said “How does a mass produced additive solve the problem of mass produced oil, though” when in my post I never stated or implied any such issue.
I am not sure everyone joins the forum to LEARN, or at least it seems that people once did, then decided what they were going to think about products, and decided to stop LEARNING and just make sure people only learn what they consider to be good FACTS. “Listening to these anecdotes also doesn't result in one gaining knowledge, as knowledge is based on fact.” You are wrong about anecdotes, people learn many things from other people’s experiences, and in many cases people use new products sometimes based solely on what their friends have said about it. People also use anecdotes and recommendations in regards to established oil company products as the many types can be confusing. Knowledge is NOT based on facts alone, this is very narrow minded thinking, and in all seriousness, I cannot imagine a single post in this sub-forum, that you would not have a beef with. It is almost like you just come in here to tell people they are wrong.
I do not see how new members would feel confident bringing up any query in this sub-forum, as the slightest whiff of the mention “additive” brings out the flat earth society, all guns blazing! Even when you think you are being even handed, you use language like “pandering”, “wizard in a can” and countless other derogatory remarks. Not to mention yourself describing new members need to hear from members who are “more analytical and [offer a] less cheerleading-oriented perspective”. So does this mean people who use additives are not analytical and over enthusiastic for a product? I am not sure, but I think you can get more patronising than this, maybe we still wear nappies?
SHANNOW
Finding a company’s PDS, lifting a line out of it, and posting it to prove a point rings a bit hollow unless you faithfully quote the whole thing. I went to the same link and discovered a whole page of product information, below is the whole reference:
Features:
• Stabilizes engine, gear, & hydraulic oils
• Eliminates dry starts
• Improves cylinder compression
• Cushions and seals moving parts
• Reduces internal friction wear
• Excellent oxidation inhibition properties
• Minimises rust & corrosion
• Tenacious
• Improves oil viscosity index
• Increases oil viscosity by one to two grades
I can appreciate a good discussion, and I love a good argument, and forums are the sort of places where you cannot expect not to be offended. But, lets actually discuss, and not read a post and just bash it without a decent reason. And thinking it is your duty to protect users from bad products whether they like it not is not a good reason. Alot of the basher's posts just expose a narrow minded bigot, and there seem to be a few in here.
maybe a new sub-forum could be created for you guys: "anti-additives", this way people who want to actually LEARN can do so in this forum without being insulted, brow beaten, buried under countless phrases that offer nothing new to the discussion, and basically made to feel stupid and out of their depth. Is this really a good place to LEARN about additives?
No.
Calling people idiots has nothing to do with making a point, it’s just deeply satisfying. My points are being interpreted incorrectly, or paraphrased incorrectly. Another way of saying “words put in that were not mine to begin with”. Shannow incorrectly paraphrased “universal” for oil when I actually said “perfect”. Garak said “How does a mass produced additive solve the problem of mass produced oil, though” when in my post I never stated or implied any such issue.
I am not sure everyone joins the forum to LEARN, or at least it seems that people once did, then decided what they were going to think about products, and decided to stop LEARNING and just make sure people only learn what they consider to be good FACTS. “Listening to these anecdotes also doesn't result in one gaining knowledge, as knowledge is based on fact.” You are wrong about anecdotes, people learn many things from other people’s experiences, and in many cases people use new products sometimes based solely on what their friends have said about it. People also use anecdotes and recommendations in regards to established oil company products as the many types can be confusing. Knowledge is NOT based on facts alone, this is very narrow minded thinking, and in all seriousness, I cannot imagine a single post in this sub-forum, that you would not have a beef with. It is almost like you just come in here to tell people they are wrong.
I do not see how new members would feel confident bringing up any query in this sub-forum, as the slightest whiff of the mention “additive” brings out the flat earth society, all guns blazing! Even when you think you are being even handed, you use language like “pandering”, “wizard in a can” and countless other derogatory remarks. Not to mention yourself describing new members need to hear from members who are “more analytical and [offer a] less cheerleading-oriented perspective”. So does this mean people who use additives are not analytical and over enthusiastic for a product? I am not sure, but I think you can get more patronising than this, maybe we still wear nappies?
SHANNOW
Finding a company’s PDS, lifting a line out of it, and posting it to prove a point rings a bit hollow unless you faithfully quote the whole thing. I went to the same link and discovered a whole page of product information, below is the whole reference:
Features:
• Stabilizes engine, gear, & hydraulic oils
• Eliminates dry starts
• Improves cylinder compression
• Cushions and seals moving parts
• Reduces internal friction wear
• Excellent oxidation inhibition properties
• Minimises rust & corrosion
• Tenacious
• Improves oil viscosity index
• Increases oil viscosity by one to two grades
I can appreciate a good discussion, and I love a good argument, and forums are the sort of places where you cannot expect not to be offended. But, lets actually discuss, and not read a post and just bash it without a decent reason. And thinking it is your duty to protect users from bad products whether they like it not is not a good reason. Alot of the basher's posts just expose a narrow minded bigot, and there seem to be a few in here.
maybe a new sub-forum could be created for you guys: "anti-additives", this way people who want to actually LEARN can do so in this forum without being insulted, brow beaten, buried under countless phrases that offer nothing new to the discussion, and basically made to feel stupid and out of their depth. Is this really a good place to LEARN about additives?
No.
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