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Does either use a Grp II+ base stock or are they both Grp II?
Base stocks: Havoline DS vs. Mobil Clean 5000
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How about HAVOLINE SYNTHETIC 5W-40
# API: SL, SJ/CF, ACEA: A3, B3-98, MERCEDES: 229.1, VW: 502.00, 505.00, BMW: LONG LIFE-98, PORSCHE.
http://www.uleiuri.ro/images/havolinesyn5w-40.jpg
What group is it?
# API: SL, SJ/CF, ACEA: A3, B3-98, MERCEDES: 229.1, VW: 502.00, 505.00, BMW: LONG LIFE-98, PORSCHE.
http://www.uleiuri.ro/images/havolinesyn5w-40.jpg
What group is it?
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Mobil C5000 is solvent-dewax G-III base oil. See Carpy's posts.
Who cares about refined base oils anyway? They are all the same chemistry, not like PAOs and Esters.
Who cares about refined base oils anyway? They are all the same chemistry, not like PAOs and Esters.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Mobil C5000 is solvent-dewax G-III base oil. See Carpy's posts.
Who cares about refined base oils anyway? They are all the same chemistry, not like PAOs and Esters.
I thought a solvent dewaxed paraffinic indicated a Group I oil?
Mobil C5000 is solvent-dewax G-III base oil. See Carpy's posts.
Who cares about refined base oils anyway? They are all the same chemistry, not like PAOs and Esters.
I thought a solvent dewaxed paraffinic indicated a Group I oil?
Ok, until people are ready to post their own reference material, or have even bothered to read the relavent information from an actual XOM expert I referenced here, maybe we should go back to a sandbox-style forum structure.
Oh, and why do we care?
Oh, and why do we care?
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Well, I'm still confused. We have II, II+, and III as possibilities now.
Since I have MC5000 in the crankcase currently, I'll go with Audie Junkie's Grp III answer because that makes me feel best about what I am currently utilizing. But I thought Grp III qualified as "synthetic" in the post Castrol v. XOM court case world?
Since I have MC5000 in the crankcase currently, I'll go with Audie Junkie's Grp III answer because that makes me feel best about what I am currently utilizing. But I thought Grp III qualified as "synthetic" in the post Castrol v. XOM court case world?
There is no definition as to what can and cannot be called a syn. It's up to the company who can say whatever they want. Most consumers just take it hook, line, and sinker without focusing on overall performance (beyond ppm Fe).
I'll take Clean 5000's 16% more detergents than needed to pass SM/GF-4 any day
I'll take Clean 5000's 16% more detergents than needed to pass SM/GF-4 any day
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lol.
They do not market it as a synthetic as the add pack only uses what is needed to make the oil GF4 compliant, whereas what is in say, Pennzoil Platinum is a bit more robust.
It is Group III, for certain.
It is Group III, for certain.
I'd still like to read some (easily accessible) proof that it's Group III.
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Well, that is just awesome that MC5000 is a Grp III base stock! I mean, its a bargain priced oil (usually).
This makes Mobil Clean 5000 a very strong value.
Quick question, though. XOM calls (or called... its getting hard to find) Mobil Clean 7500 a Synthetic Blend. Maybe MC7500 is/was a Grp III/IV blend then?
This makes Mobil Clean 5000 a very strong value.
Quick question, though. XOM calls (or called... its getting hard to find) Mobil Clean 7500 a Synthetic Blend. Maybe MC7500 is/was a Grp III/IV blend then?
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Well, that is just awesome that MC5000 is a Grp III base stock! I mean, its a bargain priced oil (usually).
This makes Mobil Clean 5000 a very strong value.
Quick question, though. XOM calls (or called... its getting hard to find) Mobil Clean 7500 a Synthetic Blend. Maybe MC7500 is/was a Grp III/IV blend then?
MC 7500 is 15% PAO.
It's no better an oil because of the GIII basestock. People need to realize this. A Group II or II+ basestock just needs more additives to reach the same standard. For Mobil, producing a GIII oil that doesn't need those additives is cheaper, hence the price point. Real world differences between MC5k and say, YB or Havoline or Motorcraft syn blend will be very little. Buy what's cheapest.
Well, that is just awesome that MC5000 is a Grp III base stock! I mean, its a bargain priced oil (usually).
This makes Mobil Clean 5000 a very strong value.
Quick question, though. XOM calls (or called... its getting hard to find) Mobil Clean 7500 a Synthetic Blend. Maybe MC7500 is/was a Grp III/IV blend then?
MC 7500 is 15% PAO.
It's no better an oil because of the GIII basestock. People need to realize this. A Group II or II+ basestock just needs more additives to reach the same standard. For Mobil, producing a GIII oil that doesn't need those additives is cheaper, hence the price point. Real world differences between MC5k and say, YB or Havoline or Motorcraft syn blend will be very little. Buy what's cheapest.
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I'd still like to read some (easily accessible) proof that it's Group III.
Search user name "carpy".
If that's not enough, call Exxon Mobil.
Or compare the oil's thickness at room temp along with conventional and synthetics of the same viscosity and draw your conclusions.
I'd still like to read some (easily accessible) proof that it's Group III.
Search user name "carpy".
If that's not enough, call Exxon Mobil.
Or compare the oil's thickness at room temp along with conventional and synthetics of the same viscosity and draw your conclusions.
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Maybe MC7500 is/was a Grp III/IV blend then?
Yeppers.
People interested in Mobil Clean who trust me can do that, or if not, you can search out Carpy's threads from 2 years ago. Knock yourself out.
Maybe MC7500 is/was a Grp III/IV blend then?
Yeppers.
People interested in Mobil Clean who trust me can do that, or if not, you can search out Carpy's threads from 2 years ago. Knock yourself out.
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Naw, I believe you. Even after JohnnyHotCakes info in his 1:33pm post, I still like the idea of getting a Grp III oil with a fair shot of moly in it plus extra detergents for $2/qt... okay $2.57/qt few weeks ago @ Wal Mart. Good job XOM!
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