Base oils in relation to timing chain wear

I know that the use of AI here is frowned upon, but I didn't know what this meant, so I Grokked it, and I think others may find this useful, too. Per Grok:

"**"Full shear" conditions**, as used by Gokhan (a well-known member on BITOG/BobIsTheOilGuy forums), refers to engine lubrication scenarios where **viscosity index improvers (VIIs or VMs — polymeric viscosity modifiers)** in multigrade motor oils are effectively **temporarily sheared out** or excluded from contributing to the oil's viscosity.

Under normal conditions, HTHS (High-Temperature High-Shear) viscosity — measured at around 10⁶ s⁻¹ shear rate — still includes some partial contribution from those long-chain VII polymers, which temporarily align and thicken the oil under moderate-to-high shear.

In "full shear" (or **high-temperature, full-shear / HTFS** conditions), the shear is so extreme — or the geometry so tight — that the VII molecules are completely stripped away or unable to provide any thickening effect. The oil's effective viscosity then drops to essentially that of the **base oil** (plus the additive package, but excluding the VII contribution). This is sometimes called the "second Newtonian" region in rheology.

Gokhan popularized (and likely coined for BITOG discussions) the term **HTFSV** (High-Temperature Full-Shear Viscosity) and built calculators/spreadsheets to estimate it for commercial oils based on their KV100, HTHS, and other specs. He argued that this **HTFS/base-oil viscosity** at ~150°C is often more relevant to actual wear protection in critical engine areas (tight clearances like bearings, timing chains, valvetrain) than the standard HTHS number alone — especially in modern engines with very high shear rates or narrow passages where VIIs can't "fit" or function.

The specific quote you mentioned —

> "A demonstration of what Gokhan had been calling "full shear" conditions."

— comes from a September 2025 BITOG thread about a study on timing chain wear. In that context, the poster was pointing out that the study showed thicker **base oils** reduced chain elongation/wear far better than relying on VII-thickened oils. The explanation: in the extremely tight clearances of a timing chain, the large VII polymer coils are physically excluded (they can't squeeze into the microscopic gaps), leaving only the base oil to form the lubricating film — exactly mimicking "full shear" behavior even without ultra-high mechanical shear rates or extreme temperatures. One reply noted: "stripping the VM out acts the same as high shear."

In short, it's a way to describe situations (very high shear, extremely tight clearances, or both) where the oil behaves as if it's **monograde / base-oil only** — no temporary VII thickening remains — and that's often the regime that determines real-world wear in certain engine components. Gokhan has long advocated for oils with lower VII content and higher estimated HTFS for better durability in those conditions."

I agree!
Thanks. That was helpful. Glad I was able to read it before the mods delete it, since you labeled it as AI content.
 
Thanks. That was helpful. Glad I was able to read it before the mods delete it, since you labeled it as AI content.
AI probably made a better clear summary of Gokhan's threads on the subject than most humans could, lol. Gokhan's threads are still on this board (like the link in post 4), and everyone can read them to get the same summary info after reading threads for hours.
 
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