Base oils in relation to timing chain wear

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Hello all, new here but have browsed the forum for some time. I recently came across a study conducted in 2017 by Nissan. Free version found here: https://www.scribd.com/document/846742983/Sagawa-2017
In the study, it states that using a thicker base oil benefitted in less elongation in the timing chain, likely due to the VIIs not being able to squeeze in between the microscopic clearances in the chains, leaving only base oil. It compares 0W-20 to the newer developed(at the time) 0W-16.

I am aware many on this forum enjoy the use of 0W-40 and 0w30 oils, believing they provide better overall protection. So I am curious to see some opinions on this!

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I'm familiar with this study. One thing to keep in mind is that the oils that they're testing have unusually thin base oils and unusually high viscosity indexes.

The base oils in the chart you posted are only 3.0 to 3.6 cST at 100C. A typical 0W-20 will have a base oil viscosity of at least 5.5 cST, and a typical 0W-40 would have a base oil viscosity of more around 7 cST. Even though the W ratings are the same, the thicker grades do tend to use thicker base oil. I wouldn't worry too much about timing chain wear if you're using a 0W-20/30/40 oil that has a normal viscosity index.

These ultra-high VI oils are being researched by Japanese and Korean automakers to improve fuel economy, and I think they are factory fill in certain cars now.

In a way, these types of oils can be used to game the CAFE system. The automaker does its fuel economy test with a 0W-16 ultra-high VI oil for the CAFE rating, and recommends that grade. That 0W-16 may be no better for engine protection than a 0W-8, but most cars will just get end up being filled with a cheaper, bulk 0W-16 with a thicker base oil anyway. The improvement to fuel economy measured in the CAFE test doesn't actually benefit the consumer unless they continue to use the special oil.
 
Welcome and thank you for posting the interesting study. I have been a proponent of oils with low or no amount of polymeric VIIs since my early years on this forum, for reasons like that, lower volatility, higher HTHS viscosity for a given kinematic viscosity at 100 C, higher shear stability, and for deposit control. The same situation occurs in gear lubrication and I think also in the valvetrain.
 
I'm familiar with this study. One thing to keep in mind is that the oils that they're testing have unusually thin base oils and unusually high viscosity indexes.

The base oils in the chart you posted are only 3.0 to 3.6 cST at 100C. A typical 0W-20 will have a base oil viscosity of at least 5.5 cST, and a typical 0W-40 would have a base oil viscosity of more around 7 cST. Even though the W ratings are the same, the thicker grades do tend to use thicker base oil. I wouldn't worry too much about timing chain wear if you're using a 0W-20/30/40 oil that has a normal viscosity index.

These ultra-high VI oils are being researched by Japanese and Korean automakers to improve fuel economy, and I think they are factory fill in certain cars now.

In a way, these types of oils can be used to game the CAFE system. The automaker does its fuel economy test with a 0W-16 ultra-high VI oil for the CAFE rating, and recommends that grade. That 0W-16 may be no better for engine protection than a 0W-8, but most cars will just get end up being filled with a cheaper, bulk 0W-16 with a thicker base oil anyway. The improvement to fuel economy measured in the CAFE test doesn't actually benefit the consumer unless they continue to use the special oil.
I still believe the general principle applies, even if comparison to actual oils is different. According to this thread(https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/do-you-think-thats-thick-oil-think-again.286877/) 0w40 actually has a thinner base oil, due to the difference between finished and cold viscosity.
 
ASTM Sequence X was approved in 2019.

It would seem to this layman that novel effective dispersants had to be developed to prevent timing chain stretching by small dense particles.

This particular test was a tough nut to crack.
 
Welcome and thank you for posting the interesting study. I have been a proponent of oils with low or no amount of polymeric VIIs since my early years on this forum, for reasons like that, lower volatility, higher HTHS viscosity for a given kinematic viscosity at 100 C, higher shear stability, and for deposit control. The same situation occurs in gear lubrication and I think also in the valvetrain.
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A demonstration of what Gokhan had been calling "full shear" conditions.

In a sense yes, there's not so much shear involved and no extremely high temps, but stripping the VM out acts the same as high shear.

I chose a 12 cst no VII oil to lubricate my engine and silent chain. Also remember, guides are plastic, cant use anti-wear chemistry and need lubricating aswell. All they have to protect them is viscosity, and a worn guide or or worn chain results in the same opening of the engine.
 
I'm familiar with this study. One thing to keep in mind is that the oils that they're testing have unusually thin base oils and unusually high viscosity indexes.

The base oils in the chart you posted are only 3.0 to 3.6 cST at 100C. A typical 0W-20 will have a base oil viscosity of at least 5.5 cST, and a typical 0W-40 would have a base oil viscosity of more around 7 cST. Even though the W ratings are the same, the thicker grades do tend to use thicker base oil. I wouldn't worry too much about timing chain wear if you're using a 0W-20/30/40 oil that has a normal viscosity index.

These ultra-high VI oils are being researched by Japanese and Korean automakers to improve fuel economy, and I think they are factory fill in certain cars now.

In a way, these types of oils can be used to game the CAFE system. The automaker does its fuel economy test with a 0W-16 ultra-high VI oil for the CAFE rating, and recommends that grade. That 0W-16 may be no better for engine protection than a 0W-8, but most cars will just get end up being filled with a cheaper, bulk 0W-16 with a thicker base oil anyway. The improvement to fuel economy measured in the CAFE test doesn't actually benefit the consumer unless they continue to use the special oil.

this thread contains the Mobil oil blending guide. Look at the viscosities used for 0W-40. Nothing over 4 cSt, except the full pao 0W-40, but even that will have less than 5 cSt base oil viscosity.... Winter grade requirements drive the base oil viscosity down, and that's not surprising.

 
It is difficult to accept their conclusions. These are not fully formulated oils used from the current market. They wanted to formulate oils to all be the same but for base oils. This in a way, might be a study to look at. But you cannot draw the same conclusions compared to fully formulated commercial oils. Also, I refuse to believe that microscopic oil molecules are excluded from spaces inside a chain link. If molecules could get "stuck" engines would be gummed up in many locations.

Ali
 
this thread contains the Mobil oil blending guide. Look at the viscosities used for 0W-40. Nothing over 4 cSt, except the full pao 0W-40, but even that will have less than 5 cSt base oil viscosity.... Winter grade requirements drive the base oil viscosity down, and that's not surprising.
I'm basing the 7 cST on the values calculated in Ghokan's spreadsheet. In that data, the lowest base oil viscosity for a 0W-40 is 6.2 cST and most are 7 cST or higher.

I'm not sure how typical Mobil's example is for the 0W-40. It's got an HTHS of only 3.4 cP, which isn't even in grade, and a Noack of 11.8%, which is unusually high for a 0W-40. I'm not aware of any modern commercial 0W-40s that seem to use a base oil this thin.

The SpectraSyn 6 has a kinematic viscosity of only 7,800 cST at -40°C. The dynamic viscosity at -35°C should be under 4,000 cP, and that should be similar to its CCS, so I don't see why it couldn't be used to formulate a 0W-40. It would depend on how much of an effectthe additive package has on the viscosity of the finished product. One of the example 0w30 oils uses 75% 6 cST base oil.
 
In a sense yes, there's not so much shear involved and no extremely high temps, but stripping the VM out acts the same as high shear.

I chose a 12 cst no VII oil to lubricate my engine and silent chain. Also remember, guides are plastic, cant use anti-wear chemistry and need lubricating aswell. All they have to protect them is viscosity, and a worn guide or or worn chain results in the same opening of the engine.
what 12cst oil do you use? I have timing chain and guide concerns!!!
 
I'm already quite convinced of the virtues of thicker base oils vs merely higher KV100. I've been quite vocal here about my preference for thicker base oils and lower VII content. Studies like this are affirmation/confirmation bias reinforcement for my views on why lower VI oils with thick bases and low-to-no-VII content are the best path for deposit prevention and wear mitigation.

That's why I'm running a 15w-40 HPL oil in an engine that specs 0w-20. Search my postings in the threads on "HPL PCMO SAE 40" and the other threads about a Civic Type R lasting forever in which I posited that a monograde 40 grade oil from HPL would be superb for an application where cold starting was not a factor.
 
I'm already quite convinced of the virtues of thicker base oils vs merely higher KV100. I've been quite vocal here about my preference for thicker base oils and lower VII content. Studies like this are affirmation/confirmation bias reinforcement for my views on why lower VI oils with thick bases and low-to-no-VII content are the best path for deposit prevention and wear mitigation.

That's why I'm running a 15w-40 HPL oil in an engine that specs 0w-20. Search my postings in the threads on "HPL PCMO SAE 40" and the other threads about a Civic Type R lasting forever in which I posited that a monograde 40 grade oil from HPL would be superb for an application where cold starting was not a factor.
Here are the threads in question for those who want to learn: Keep my Civic Type R running forever and HPL 40 SAE PCMO.
 
A demonstration of what Gokhan had been calling "full shear" conditions.

I know that the use of AI here is frowned upon, but I didn't know what this meant, so I Grokked it, and I think others may find this useful, too. Per Grok:

"**"Full shear" conditions**, as used by Gokhan (a well-known member on BITOG/BobIsTheOilGuy forums), refers to engine lubrication scenarios where **viscosity index improvers (VIIs or VMs — polymeric viscosity modifiers)** in multigrade motor oils are effectively **temporarily sheared out** or excluded from contributing to the oil's viscosity.

Under normal conditions, HTHS (High-Temperature High-Shear) viscosity — measured at around 10⁶ s⁻¹ shear rate — still includes some partial contribution from those long-chain VII polymers, which temporarily align and thicken the oil under moderate-to-high shear.

In "full shear" (or **high-temperature, full-shear / HTFS** conditions), the shear is so extreme — or the geometry so tight — that the VII molecules are completely stripped away or unable to provide any thickening effect. The oil's effective viscosity then drops to essentially that of the **base oil** (plus the additive package, but excluding the VII contribution). This is sometimes called the "second Newtonian" region in rheology.

Gokhan popularized (and likely coined for BITOG discussions) the term **HTFSV** (High-Temperature Full-Shear Viscosity) and built calculators/spreadsheets to estimate it for commercial oils based on their KV100, HTHS, and other specs. He argued that this **HTFS/base-oil viscosity** at ~150°C is often more relevant to actual wear protection in critical engine areas (tight clearances like bearings, timing chains, valvetrain) than the standard HTHS number alone — especially in modern engines with very high shear rates or narrow passages where VIIs can't "fit" or function.

The specific quote you mentioned —

> "A demonstration of what Gokhan had been calling "full shear" conditions."

— comes from a September 2025 BITOG thread about a study on timing chain wear. In that context, the poster was pointing out that the study showed thicker **base oils** reduced chain elongation/wear far better than relying on VII-thickened oils. The explanation: in the extremely tight clearances of a timing chain, the large VII polymer coils are physically excluded (they can't squeeze into the microscopic gaps), leaving only the base oil to form the lubricating film — exactly mimicking "full shear" behavior even without ultra-high mechanical shear rates or extreme temperatures. One reply noted: "stripping the VM out acts the same as high shear."

In short, it's a way to describe situations (very high shear, extremely tight clearances, or both) where the oil behaves as if it's **monograde / base-oil only** — no temporary VII thickening remains — and that's often the regime that determines real-world wear in certain engine components. Gokhan has long advocated for oils with lower VII content and higher estimated HTFS for better durability in those conditions."

I agree!
 
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