BAD movies.

Didn't know Danny Trejo was a short guy. :D
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Yes, you did. My point was in not providing a framework on what characterized "bad" we ended up with the Star Wars movies listed here, which were extremely well produced and had solid storylines, even if folks aren't a fan of them. Those aren't "bad" movies in the sense that other films we are discussing are. A movie isn't "bad" just because people don't like it, which I think @Astro14 did a good job of covering.

That's a contradiction. For a movie that "somebody just didn't like", well, they just didn't like it. Again, you used the example of Star Wars.

Those subsequent examples beyond simply not liking the plot are legitimate reasons for a movie to be "bad" and are well beyond just not liking the film.

Yes, all real reasons beyond just "not liking it".

They've had lots of good, older movies on there, but they don't seem to stay on for long, they seem to have a relatively rapid rotation for older titles unfortunately.

My my my, we are technical today. But that's fine.

I just set my Mom up with Roku and she is seeing what costs what.. there even used to be good stuff on Netflix when I watched it for a bit in 2011. You are correct, they seem to be taking them off.

Let's just not confuse "Good" with "A major copyrighted work," which seem to get off the streaming services fast and are frequently garbage...
 
That's a contradiction. For a movie that "somebody just didn't like", well, they just didn't like it. Again, you used the example of Star Wars.

I've never found anything about Star Wars interesting. At least 3 of the 9 Star Wars movies were suggested in the list of "Bad" movies. Perhaps the 70s ones were "good" and anything after was "bad." The viewpoints of a non-fan can sometimes be interesting.

Now, there's another thing you listed that, at least to me, appears to border on circular logic. If someone "Just didn't like a movie," there is usually some kind of reason why. I think this intricacy somewhat both counters and prices both of our points, there is some kind of reason "why," sort of like how A-sharp on a piano is also B-flat. They are the same thing. ? But, otherwise, I believe I get what you're saying.

Now to assist with a Roku setup.
 
I've never found anything about Star Wars interesting. At least 3 of the 9 Star Wars movies were suggested in the list of "Bad" movies. Perhaps the 70s ones were "good" and anything after was "bad." The viewpoints of a non-fan can sometimes be interesting.
I'm not a huge fan of the series, but they are well produced films with consistent storylines, even if they don't push your buttons due to the genre or whatever makes them fall flat with you.
Now, there's another thing you listed that, at least to me, appears to border on circular logic. If someone "Just didn't like a movie," there is usually some kind of reason why.
It may just be that they don't like the genre. It doesn't have to a reason that makes the film "bad" in terms of something we quantify due to poor production/development.
I think this intricacy somewhat both counters and prices both of our points, there is some kind of reason "why,"
There may be a reason why, but that reason may not be due to the details of the film itself, but rather due to personal preference.

To use your own style of example, there are many people on this board that might not like the San Francisco orchestra doing a production of Mozart. They just don't like that style of music. Not liking it doesn't make it "bad" though. Mozart's work is generally regarded as masterpiece material and the San Francisco orchestra puts on an incredible production.

You may not like Nightwish, and if I shared the video of Ghost Love Score in Buenos Aires, there are guys that are just going to be like "ewww", or, it simply doesn't do it for them. That doesn't change the incredible level of production, complex score and staggeringly good vocals that are all demonstrated. The piece itself is incredibly good, but people simply may not like it because it isn't their style of music.

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My view of a fair discussion of "universally bad movies" involves films with great potential or pedigree, usually sufficient budgets, that just absolutely blew it. Not things with no real potential, cast, or budget because that's an endless list. So my list of "universally bad movies" would include films which had the ingredients (cast, budget, directors, potential) to be good or great but failed:

* Indiana Jones Crystal Skull, story, implausible and dumb scenes, and CGI ruined it.
* Star Wars I - III, and all the sequels after 7, and the collateral films I've seen. In fairness I haven't watched them all but the ones I've seen have been very bad with a woke agenda.
* Terminator 3 and thereafter. So much dumb stuff and poor casting, confusing writing undoing the prior movies, woke-ness, etc.
* Mad Max 4 - implausible nonsense.
* Predator 2 and thereafter
* Aliens 3 and thereafter, sequels and prequels. So much wrong...
* Most remakes and reboots, including films like Willy Wonka.
* Anything with Seagal absolutely stinks, and he went from bad to atrocious in recent years. I have no idea how he got famous or rich, he's a terrible actor and apparently a not-very-good martial artist (e.g. fraud).
* Most films with Nick Cage are terrible, but not all. The only good one I can think of is Family Man.

In truth I dislike probably 90% of films and am very critical - I expect good acting, plot, story, believability, etc. Most just cannot deliver. But there are some really special rotten tomatoes out there.
 
* Indiana Jones Crystal Skull, story, implausible and dumb scenes, and CGI ruined it.

Except this is true of every Indiana Jones film.

Talk about a terrible story: If Indiana Jones had done absolutely nothing, literally just stayed in bed the whole time, the story arc of Raiders of the Lost Ark would have been the same or better. Had he stayed in bed, Nazis would have looked in the wrong place and never found it. He was literally the reason the ended up finding it! Worse case, Nazis actually find the Ark without Jones and Nazis still die. If anything, Jones is the bad guy for giving the US government and yet another (they have a whole warehouse full of them) priceless artifact to horde away and use for (probably) evil government purposes. If he had simply not gotten involved, Nazis would still be dead and the Ark would be again lost to obscurity, which is arguably a better fate for it.

As far as implausibility: Magic spirits in a gold box killing people, but not if you shut your eyes; using a raft to escape a crashing airplane, then riding the raft down a Himalayan mountain; voodoo man ripping a still beating heart out of a chest with his bare hand; melting face if you drink from the wrong cup; healing mortal wounds if you drink from the right cup
 
This is kind of like arguing which is better, ketchup or mustard. But if the criteria is "badly done," it's harder to remember the bad movies than the good ones.

I do have two examples from last night, though. I watched part of a Friday the 13th sequel--#3?--and then a war movie on Netflix. I can't remember the title, but it started out OK. Then a small unit of Americans ended up riding a train to Stuttgart to thwart a NAZI atomic bomb. Also a beautiful woman was standing naked in a bathtub with the door open for a moment. And the Germans couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

I'm surprised to see two Coen brothers movies in the first few replies, though. They might not be to everybody's taste, but I think their satire and dark humor are just right, and nobody does unlucky criminals better. Some lines from "O Brother" almost make me laugh out loud when I think of them:

"George, I think some of your foldin' money has come unstove."
"Come on, boys. I'm gonna r-u-n-n-o-f-t!"
"Daddy, why can't we get us some of that ree-form?"

Don't even get me going on Lebowski. The recent Netfilx one, Buster Scruggs, was even decent, especially the segment with Tom Waits as an old prospector.
 
Okay, guys, no movie, and believe me, no matter how bad you think it is, can top this one.

It's so bad that it will make your Spidey sense cringe! 🤣

There is nothing worse than this crap:

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You can watch the trailer here:



You can watch the whole movie here:



And if you're feeling generous and want to pay for it, you can buy or rent it here:

 
I'm not a huge fan of the series, but they are well produced films with consistent storylines, even if they don't push your buttons due to the genre or whatever makes them fall flat with you.

It may just be that they don't like the genre. It doesn't have to a reason that makes the film "bad" in terms of something we quantify due to poor production/development.

There may be a reason why, but that reason may not be due to the details of the film itself, but rather due to personal preference.

To use your own style of example, there are many people on this board that might not like the San Francisco orchestra doing a production of Mozart. They just don't like that style of music. Not liking it doesn't make it "bad" though. Mozart's work is generally regarded as masterpiece material and the San Francisco orchestra puts on an incredible production.

You may not like Nightwish, and if I shared the video of Ghost Love Score in Buenos Aires, there are guys that are just going to be like "ewww", or, it simply doesn't do it for them. That doesn't change the incredible level of production, complex score and staggeringly good vocals that are all demonstrated. The piece itself is incredibly good, but people simply may not like it because it isn't their style of music.

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Yeah, I'm following more now.

You know they say the same about loudspeakers, right. They say that everyone hears sound differently, and that "good" loudspeakers may sound "bad" to someone else. Meaning, you can't universally call one "good" or "bad," I've always had a hard time with that, sort of like "DO YOU HEAR HOW GOOD THIS SOUNDS" lol but have you heard this argument? For example, I'm a fan of speakers with good bass that doesn't get muddy when loud, which, as far as I know, is hard to do..now, of course, I have never heard a pair of speakers or receivers combo that cost maybe $500-$750 each so you may laugh, but, surely you have heard that said before, right? (Or, that the smallest minority may be the most vocal. I can go on YouTube and find videos making fun of Bose speakers for no bass. This doesn't make sense to me, as an Acoustimass 7 used a dedicated subwoofer for its setup.. but still, some quip "All highs, no lows? Must be Bose." But they are very very good speakers. I would go spend money and seek out some other kinds but.. well let me pause, have you heard this said about some good sounding stuff may not sound good to some.)
 

This is an abjectly bad movie. It is memorable because it is so bad and that kind of makes it not as bad. It's weird. If something is unremarkable and bad, it's truly awful. Nothing but Trouble is remarkably bad, which, in a very perverse way, makes it better.

How It Ends is the opposite. I watched it and it was so unremarkable, I only remembered it as the terrible Netflix apocalypse movie with the awful unresolved ending. I can't tell you any details beyond that. I even had to look up the name just now to write this because because I simply forgot the title. It is possibly the worst movie I've ever seen.
 
Yeah, I'm following more now.

You know they say the same about loudspeakers, right. They say that everyone hears sound differently, and that "good" loudspeakers may sound "bad" to someone else. Meaning, you can't universally call one "good" or "bad," I've always had a hard time with that, sort of like "DO YOU HEAR HOW GOOD THIS SOUNDS" lol but have you heard this argument? For example, I'm a fan of speakers with good bass that doesn't get muddy when loud, which, as far as I know, is hard to do..now, of course, I have never heard a pair of speakers or receivers combo that cost maybe $500-$750 each so you may laugh, but, surely you have heard that said before, right? (Or, that the smallest minority may be the most vocal. I can go on YouTube and find videos making fun of Bose speakers for no bass. This doesn't make sense to me, as an Acoustimass 7 used a dedicated subwoofer for its setup.. but still, some quip "All highs, no lows? Must be Bose." But they are very very good speakers. I would go spend money and seek out some other kinds but.. well let me pause, have you heard this said about some good sounding stuff may not sound good to some.)
We are definitely drifting OT, but I'll indulge your detour:

Hearing is definitely subjective, but there IS some relativity there. A cheap Walmart Panasonic boom box isn't going to sound like a pair of Paradigm towers being fed by a quality amp. It doesn't matter if you hook the boom box speakers up to 200K worth of Bryston or McIntosh, the speakers simply can't deliver. On the other hand, those Paradigms hooked up to the Panasonic boom box will sound better (though they won't play all that loud) than the OE speakers. So, not subjectively, the cheap speakers are "bad". And there are some REALLY bad speakers out there.

If you've never properly auditioned quality equipment, what I'm describing is probably going to be difficult to follow simply because you lack the experience. Once you get into the higher $$$ stuff, then things get REALLY subjective, because they are ALL "good". So, we've gone from defining what's cheap/bad (though some people tolerate it just fine, just like Spy Kids, lol) to what we can definitely call good, but everyone's taste is going to vary here. And that brings us back to good music and the examples I gave earlier.

Personal anecdote: I have two "good" pairs of speakers. Objectively, the B&W 802's should be the better speaker. They cost considerably more money (though I inherited them) and were one of the company's top offerings when they were produced. However, subjectively, the Paradigms are far more forgiving on source material and are easier to listen to for that reason, so, for living room duty, I prefer them, which is why the B&W's are in the bedroom. Does that make sense?
 
Nazis at the Center of the Earth is a great bad sci-fi horror, alternate timeline naziploitation movie. It's an Asylum production so you know what you are and what you are not getting. Despite being bad it's very entertaining and I can fully endorse this bad movie. The last 20 minutes of this masterpiece are stunningly bad and hilarious. Pure, golden trash!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazis_at_the_Center_of_the_Earth



Full movie on YouTube:
 
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