AVOID Supermax tires please

[jojob3]

I'm sure many already know but best to plain avoid buying/using/re-using Supermax (owned by Horizon Tire Inc.) tires as if your life depended on it.
There aren't that many brands I would immediately slap the 'complete garbage' tag on but this company made the list 'Super easily'.
Endless accounts of tire failure, mainly separation which is most often a manufacturing issue.
This especially applies to their radial line like the TM-1.

I bring this up as a neighbor of mine is lucky enough to still be alive after a separation issue. His research unearthed a mega ton of issues reported from shops. What we should be asking is how this company be allowed to sell tires at this point.

I'm not harping on budget tires btw as there are lot's of bang-4-buck brands that do not fall within the garbage category. No. Horizon however managed to separate themselves from that pack.

 

[Dave Hess]

Thanks for the info.

Tires is something I always want to spend extra on and get high quality product.

 

[97prizm]

I'm sure many already know but best to plain avoid buying/using/re-using Supermax (owned by Horizon Tire Inc.) tires as if your life depended on it.
There aren't that many brands I would immediately slap the 'complete garbage' tag on but this company made the list 'Super easily'.
Endless accounts of tire failure, mainly separation which is most often a manufacturing issue.
This especially applies to their radial line like the TM-1.

I bring this up as a neighbor of mine is lucky enough to still be alive after a separation issue. His research unearthed a mega ton of issues reported from shops. What we should be asking is how this company be allowed to sell tires at this point.

I'm not harping on budget tires btw as there are lot's of bang-4-buck brands that do not fall within the garbage category. No. Horizon however managed to separate themselves from that pack.

Are they Chinese/Thai manufactured?

 

[JavierH19]

Ain't that the name of some awful prison? It should be a given that you shouldn't buy tires with that name.

 

[Kira]

Had Don Adams worn a cape in the '60's TV show, "Get Smart", he would've been "Supermax".

 

[The_Jeff]

Had a set on the kids' camry. They flat spotted easily. Don't think there was much to them.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Never buy cheap tires.

 

[Capt W]

Never buy cheap tires.

Indeed. Pretty simple, yet often ignored advice. Tire stores are loaded with el-cheapo tires from China, Thailand, Indonesia, etc., and too many customers listen to salesmen instead of doing their own research.

There are actually a lot of inexpensive (not necessarily cheap) tires for the budget-conscious buyer, but it takes a bit of effort to make a buying decision. Wal-Mart's Douglas/Goodyear line and Goodyear Reliant immediately come to mind.

 

[edyvw]

Ain't that the name of some awful prison? It should be a given that you shouldn't buy tires with that name.

Hey leave Colorado alone. Florence is picturesque place and shouldn’t be compared to this atrocity

 

[nthach]

Indeed. Pretty simple, yet often ignored advice. Tire stores are loaded with el-cheapo tires from China, Thailand, Indonesia, etc., and too many customers listen to salesmen instead of doing their own research.

There are actually a lot of inexpensive (not necessarily cheap) tires for the budget-conscious buyer, but it takes a bit of effort to make a buying decision. Wal-Mart's Douglas/Goodyear line and Goodyear Reliant immediately come to mind.

Some of the Chinesium isn’t terrible - Sailun and Milestar as two examples. Discount Tire/America’s Tire sells Sentury as their cheapest option(priced cheaper than a LingLong/Leao or Advanta from a mom & pop) - and they usually don’t like to sell junk. It’s the flagship brand of Qingdao Sentury Tire, but Discount Tire has the rights to them in the US. They make the Delinte and Landsail brands, too.

I would have went the Walmart Reliants for a van we don’t drive all that much - it just wasn’t worth the 40 minute drive to a TLE location.

 

[JavierH19]

Some of the Chinesium isn’t terrible - Sailun and Milestar as two examples. Discount Tire/America’s Tire sells Sentury as their cheapest option(priced cheaper than a LingLong/Leao or Advanta from a mom & pop) - and they usually don’t like to sell junk. It’s the flagship brand of Qingdao Sentury Tire, but Discount Tire has the rights to them in the US. They make the Delinte and Landsail brands, too.

I would have went the Walmart Reliants for a van we don’t drive all that much - it just wasn’t worth the 40 minute drive to a TLE location.

From what I've seen milestar can cost more than the budget offerings of some higher brands like Goodyear or Cooper when on a random discount. I always suggest people use their Costco or Sam's membership and if not to wait until a big sale at discount tire or Walmart. But in reality calculating a cost per thousand Miles usually results in the slightly more expensive brands with a 60 or 80,000 mi warranty being the cheaper ones to run then tires that are a bit cheaper but only have a 40,000 mile or less warranty

 

[nthach]

From what I've seen milestar can cost more than the budget offerings of some higher brands like Goodyear or Cooper when on a random discount. I always suggest people use their Costco or Sam's membership and if not to wait until a big sale at discount tire or Walmart. But in reality calculating a cost per thousand Miles usually results in the slightly more expensive brands with a 60 or 80,000 mi warranty being the cheaper ones to run then tires that are a bit cheaper but only have a 40,000 mile or less warranty

Yea, I was looking at the Milestar AS710 or Sailun SH408 on SimpleTire - it was more installed locally than the Pirelli P4 Persists I scored for $480 with tax and install from America’s Tire. This is on a Sienna we don’t drive all that much.

And even if I stuck with 15s on the Prius, all the Chinesium were as much as the house brand Goodyears at Walmart or even Hankook/Kumho/Falken at America’s Tire.

 

[nthach]

Also, Costco’s tire line up tends to be higher-end. Their cheapest tire is the BFG Advantage Control or Firestone Destination LE series. They won’t sell the Uniroyal Tiger Paw or Firestone All Season tires.

 

[meep]

Yea, I was looking at the Milestar AS710 or Sailun SH408 on SimpleTire - it was more installed locally than the Pirelli P4 Persists I scored for $480 with tax and install from America’s Tire. This is on a Sienna we don’t drive all that much.

And even if I stuck with 15s on the Prius, all the Chinesium were as much as the house brand Goodyears at Walmart or even Hankook/Kumho/Falken at America’s Tire.

I’ve known 2 sets of milestars. One is an AT that my boss put on his F150. After 3 years, they ride like Michelins and are dead quiet. he bought the LT variant and you simply would not know it. They have plenty of tread on them and I’ve got to admit it’s a good tire.

I bought a used Lexus GS that came with low profile milestar all seasons. The car never felt symmetrical with them - they were always tugging or pulling or wandering - and it was a very sensitive car. I’m not sure if they had the precision or uniformity to do well in a more precise vehicle.

But their all terrains on his truck have been great. Still quiet, even.

 

[Donald]

I'm sure many already know but best to plain avoid buying/using/re-using Supermax (owned by Horizon Tire Inc.) tires as if your life depended on it.
There aren't that many brands I would immediately slap the 'complete garbage' tag on but this company made the list 'Super easily'.
Endless accounts of tire failure, mainly separation which is most often a manufacturing issue.
This especially applies to their radial line like the TM-1.

I bring this up as a neighbor of mine is lucky enough to still be alive after a separation issue. His research unearthed a mega ton of issues reported from shops. What we should be asking is how this company be allowed to sell tires at this point.

I'm not harping on budget tires btw as there are lot's of bang-4-buck brands that do not fall within the garbage category. No. Horizon however managed to separate themselves from that pack.

Who sells these substandard tires? I would think a tire store would steer clear once they had a a few problems with the brand..

 

[CKN]

Who sells these substandard tires? I would think a tire store would steer clear once they had a a few problems with the brand..

Then you have issues with any tire that have been run under inflated or hit a pot hole. You should see some pics of some tires drivers have used on that place that claims to be the " center of the Internet". Impossible to know if its a bad brand or a bad driver.

So-he spent time with researching all the " ton of issues"?

 

[Rmay635703]

I'm What we should be asking is how this company be allowed to sell tires at this point.

No. Horizon however managed to separate themselves from that pack.

Don’t bet on it, enforcement and testing/compliance has dramatically been scaled back / reduced compared to previous years.

The amount of poisonous foods being detected before it hits the market has gone down.

Taxes and counterfeits are the focus now days, quality and safety is usually well after people are sick or injured.

Who sells these substandard tires? I would think a tire store would steer clear once they had a a few problems with the brand..

Fun part of shows up on most any common retailers ecomerce but is always drop shipped from ??? To the store.

So take your pick, never in store but on every tire site, even Walmart

 

[DannyM]

I bring this up as a neighbor of mine is lucky enough to still be alive after a separation issue. His research unearthed a mega ton of issues reported from shops. What we should be asking is how this company be allowed to sell tires at this point.

I'm not harping on budget tires btw as there are lot's of bang-4-buck brands that do not fall within the garbage category. No. Horizon however managed to separate themselves from that pack.

The big brands aren't immune to that either : Michelin Tire Separation

 

[D1dad]

In my much poorer years I went with what I could afford which was off brands with the occasional good year or Douglas. Now if it isn’t Continental or Bridgestone I won’t use them. I was a Michelin fan for several runs until the CC2s soured me. Bridgestone turanza prestige will probably be my next purchase to replace my current turanzas that have been outstanding. I’m on track to retire these @55k or 4/32 on a low pro 19”, which is pretty impressive.

 

[nthach]

I had lunch with a friend - he told me a local tire shop sold him a set of Advantas for $420. He said it was nothing special but I’m starting to think the Chinesium isn’t that much of a bargain. Sure, not everyone has scratch for Michelin/Conti/Bridgestone/Pirelli but at the same time there is such thing as false economy.