Average tranny temps when towing??

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I just bought a new Chevy Silverado 1500 with a Vortec 6.0 liter, 6 speed auto trans, towing package, heavy duty rear axle (locking) crew cab short box.

On Monday, after I had 1,000 miles on it to break it in I hooked up the 24 foot camper to the truck and towed it around for about 6 or 8 miles and noticed that the transmission temp went right up to 170 degrees on a 72 degree day.

Since this is the first truck that I have had with a digital transmission guage I was a bit suprised to see temp go up so quickly. What temps would you guys expect to see in a truck that is pulling a 7,000 pound trailer?
 
I have no idea what temps to expect as I have never measured them.
Although from the reports that I have read when a transmission goes it is typically due to the fluid being cooked and going bad.
I have a friend that has a 12 passenger 1980 Dodge Van that was modified into a 20 passenger bus. The thing is a overweight underpowered brick on wheels.

He uses it for his Homeless ministry here in Dallas and the fact that it still runs is a miracle in itself.

We placed an in line cooler and a Magnafine filter on the transmission after we dropped the pan and changed out the factory filter. We also added some high temp neodymium magnets to the pan along with cleaning off the magnet that came with the transmission. The pan was particularly gross when I opened it up. (I now wish I took pics)

If you do a bunch of towing it would be wise to use premium fluids or add an extra cooler to the line. Do both if you want to overdo it. Premium fluids, Amsoil or Redline, are specifically designed to withstand greater temps for longer periods of time. The in line cooler will help minimize those greater temps and provide you with a slightly greater volume of fluid.

If you want to get real crazy you could surf the Bypass Filter forum and see some of their setups for transmissions. LARGE Spin on full flow filters and bypass filters set up on transmissions will really add to your capacity and lengthen the time between drains and refills.

In the past year I have had many of these thoughts myself. After research I added a in line filter to transmission on my Ford F-150 (with a 4.2L V6) that holds the Wix 1515 series filter, that is the Ford FL1A or Fram XG8A. I think it is a 1"x16 thread, I forget. But it adds about a Quart of capacity and does a good job filtering what the transmission filter does not catch, but not as fine as some of the Hydraulic/bypass filters.
It has seen lots of towing in the past and I just wanted to increase capacity some and add some element of finer filtering.
 
Does it share the radiator with the coolant like most cars? In that case (and most cases) I would expect the ATF temp to be relatively close to the coolant, 170 sounds reasonable.
 
Were you driving in town or highway? I know when I tow, usually by the time I get out of town the transmission temp is around 170, and stays there unless I go up any big hills.
 
Always good to remeber an old kinetic rule of thumb: Every time the temperature increases by 10 C, the rate of a chemical reaction will double. So going up 20 C, it will be 4 time faster, at 30 C, 8 times faster. Thiis includes reactions like oxidation of fluids.
 
Thats what I run when I tow my boat. Nothing special needed. I have read that the transmission don't last very long. I am 85,000 on mine with lots of abuse and towing.
 
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That's a very good number for a 24 foot trailer but it will likely go higher on long hills or bucking headwinds.

Does the truck have 3.73 or 4.10:1 axle ratios? My testing has shown about a 25-30 degree difference for each ratio change (e.g. 3.0:1 to 4.0:1, with the taller gears runner hotter.

Trans temp is going to be high when towing and that's why you have to change the fluid more often if you tow a lot. It's time at temp that causes the oxidation and that's why a good syn transmission fluid is worth having because the oxidation rate is slower. Also look nearby at the conversations about the Magnefine filters, you are a perfect candidate!

Your engine oil usually runs around 200F and it's not unusual to sustain that much on the transmission fluid over a long day pulling. Trans temp can be measured in several places... I don't know where the GM sensor is located. By that number, I suspect the pan. That is the most stable place to measure temp. If measuring the converter temp, (usually in the line out to the cooler) it will run lots higher and be very active going up with loads and when the converter is unlocked. It usually runs 50-100 degrees hotter than the pan temp, depending on how much slippage is going on at the time.

My realistic rules of thumb are that if your truck sustains up to about 212F while towing, you are generally OK. If you sustain more than that, assuming you are not overloaded, you should consider upgrading the trans cooling. Short spikes of up to 250F are really nothing to worry about. By short, I mean in the 15-30 minute range. I start to worry running hours at higher temps because that can really start to work on the oil. You really should not see temps much above 250 for anything but very brief periods and preferably not at all.

Some people prefer lower numbers. To me it comes down to how much you tow. The numbers above reflect what I've seen in a number of trucks in the real world and I've had sensors hooked up to multiple places on the trans to monitor several parameters all at once. If you are a "Snow-bird" type person or haul loads for a living, it makes more sense to spend lots more money on coolers and such. Recreationally, it's much easier and cheaper (and no more harmful) to monitor your gauge and take appropriate steps when you see high temps (again this assumes you are not overloaded). That usually comes down to dropping down a gear. If I see 250 in 3rd on a long grade and it looks like a long climb, I drop it into second and the oil temp drops 30-40 degrees. The engine revs a little more and you lose some speed, but the load is lessened on the trans becuase of the gearing advantage and you cooling system is working a bit harder (more fan and more water through the radiator). If you are a "dang-the-torpedoes" type and simply must charge up hills at the maximum rate possible, then you are more in need of cooling mods (and can I be your mechanic... I could use a payraise ( : < ).
 
Tow a 38 foot beavertail car hauler behind a 09 Duramax.

Trans almost never sees 200, very rarely. But we're in Fl!

If you run synthetic fluid make sure it's dex VI!
 
The truck has 3.73 gears. It has a transmission cooler, the fluid runs into the radiator first then to the cooler (5 inches by 12 inches).

I was driving on a hilly 2 lane road about 60mph.

It also has a nice power steering cooler but no engine oil cooler.

I have a friend that has a business moving trailers and trucks around the country so every once in a while I will be hooking up to a camper and moving it out to CA AZ or KY etc..
 
I have a Chrysler Aspen with a 5.7L Hemi I tow with. Now it is only a 5x8 Trailer with a Harley Road King or a John Deere UATV on it with some additional cargo. Usually pulling about 2500 pounds but it is a 90 mile one way trip up the turnpike various times during the year. I run a deep trans pan, (extra 2 quarts) with Mobil 1 synthetic ATF. My digital temp gauge never goes over 150 degrees and that is usually when the outside temp gets over 80 degrees. Below 80 degrees, I am usually running around 120 - 130 degrees trans temp.
Originally Posted By: BobsArmory
I just bought a new Chevy Silverado 1500 with a Vortec 6.0 liter, 6 speed auto trans, towing package, heavy duty rear axle (locking) crew cab short box.

On Monday, after I had 1,000 miles on it to break it in I hooked up the 24 foot camper to the truck and towed it around for about 6 or 8 miles and noticed that the transmission temp went right up to 170 degrees on a 72 degree day.

Since this is the first truck that I have had with a digital transmission guage I was a bit suprised to see temp go up so quickly. What temps would you guys expect to see in a truck that is pulling a 7,000 pound trailer?
 
As Jim says, it's a Time Weighted Average (TWA) on fluid fatigue. The longer you're at elevated temps, the more the fluid ages/fatigues.

While I understand the tendency ..and even engage in it, I think that we go a little overboard on the temp thing. It's cheap enough and easy enough to add auxiliary cooling and has only plus side benefits ..so why not?? The same with auxiliary filtration. It can only help.

$20-$100 worth of prevention is good enough on the speculation lottery of a few grand in cure.

I think unloaded temps of 180F+/- are fine. Sustained temps in excess of 220F will probably make you swap out the fluid at a higher frequency and lean toward the installation of auxiliary cooling.

I tend to go counter culture on this; seeking to more or less "fix" the trans temp instead of maximum cooling. Where possible I seek to limit the range of temps that anything sees. That's why I run my cooler before the rad cooler. When I get around to it (there's always a new complexity to add in the mix), I'll install a thermostat and cycle the auxiliary cooler in and out above and below 180F. Not used when not needed.
 
Hey, it's a plague that strikes everyone. The best mousetrap will never be invented.
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I agree with Jim and Gary. I see 170 routinely during long drives and is well within normal operating parameters; once it goes much over 220 or so I'd be looking for ways to reduce loading and I'd probably change it a little earlier as well.
 
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I have pretty much the same truck but with the 5.3 and I have seen the temp go to 150 jut driving around town. A bit spirited driving yes but at the same time not pulling anything. So i wouldn't worry one bit about 170.
 
I just had a transmission replaced and they put the transmission cooler on the front of the radiator, is this the acceptable norm.
 
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