Average 401(k) balance for 65 and older is $272,588. median $88,488.

Not sure about this one--mostly because, I've seen so many reports like this, and the numbers are all over the place--but uniformly low. So I believe it's correct, even if I question the number.
I understand your pessimism on the data - however the source is Vanguard - the largest 401K trustee in the US. They claim to have analyzed 5M 401K accounts, which admittedly is a small number relative to the total, but it should be a large enough sample if the analysis was done correctly. 🤷‍♂️
 
I'm sure you are right. My gripe (broken record time) is education. Give people a fighting chance.
Do you honestly think people don't know they need to save for retirement? Every one of these people is walking around with the knowledge of the entire world in their hand, but would rather post on snapchat than search "save for retirement"
 
I'm not sure that it's an issue of education to give people a fighting chance.
Anyone should have the sense to realize that if they spend every dime during their working lives they won't have much to fall back on when they retire, and for those who have failed to save and invest it'll be more a matter of when they have to, not when they want to.
You notice those older folks working at Walmart?
For some of them, it's because they want to get out and do something. For others, it's because they have to to make ends meet.
The numbers say otherwise.
It's all about education. Some lucky people learn for their parents; others have parents that don't understand and others have no parents.

There are those who will spend spend spend regardless, but personal finance is a critical attribute.
 
Do you honestly think people don't know they need to save for retirement? Every one of these people is walking around with the knowledge of the entire world in their hand, but would rather post on snapchat than search "save for retirement"
I'm sure that's true. Again, the numbers bear this out.
In the rock-and-roll Silicon Valley days when options were given out like candy, there were more BMWs (OMG the Boxsters and 911s) in the parking lot than you can imagine. I always wondered why so many people made so much more than I did. Well, turns out they didn't.
 
I was watching a financial guy on youtube today who cited a stat that ~60% of Americans have less than $10k saved for retirement. :oops:

I'm currently saving 25% of my income in my Roth 401k, and if I'm fortunate enough to keep earning at my current salary for the next 15 years, I will reach full retirement age in not terrible shape.
That's basically impossible for most Americans. After rent/mortgage and utilities most don't have 25% left
 
Many have the expectations of the government taking care of them.
But the government is in worse financial shape than them.
All depends on spending habits. I know a few people that live off SS. They do alright. My spending habits are much more than SS would cover.
 
Well, it beats a foxhole in Ukraine.

New 401k 'Super Catch-Up' Contribution Available In 2025​


The new twist affects those who will be between 60 and 63 years old in 2025 and subsequent years. They're now granted the power to make "super catch-up contributions." Specifically, that means they can pour $34,750 into their workplace retirement plans in 2025 -- $4,250 more than their total for 2024. You qualify for this break by turning one of those qualifying ages anytime during the year. For example, someone who turns 60 in November can make the full super catch-up contribution for that year.

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It doesn't matter what you have. I only matters what you spend. Lots of people can be good with $300,000 in their 401K and Social Security, because their spending is low. Personally the cost of healthcare between retirement and medicare scares me more than not having enough in my 401K.
Exactly.
Without mortgage I could easily survive off a VA disability and small income from a rental.
Any SS, 401, IRA, would just be spending money.
Not that I make a ton, but I don't have many absolute expenses.
No subscriptions, don't eat out, don't have TV, heat with basically free used oil, drive 15+ yr old vehicles that I bought well used (never bought one new), don't eat fancy food, etc.

The $$ Ive spent in tools, equipment, etc, I do so with a plan.

Like need dirt work done. Quoted 75k+ by a contractor. Bought a dozer, dump truck and excavator for ~50k, another 5k in maintenance.
Use them, sell for ~50k... plus used on tons of other tasks.
The dump truck I hauled for a guy and it paid for itself in a summer.
 
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That's basically impossible for most Americans. After rent/mortgage and utilities most don't have 25% left
Ouch.

Other day i was at Schucks getting a water pump for a truck and another customer was talking about on her next check having the money to pay for some tramp stamp tattoo.
And I'm pretty sure this wasn't "extra" money after putting a good portion into savings, but "extra" after the bare minimum payments made... maybe not even that.

Just made me wonder why someone would pick a tattoo over barely not living under a bridge in 30 years.
 
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They tell themselves this yes. Then they buy another ATV.
Schrodinger's paycheck. Its not enough but its also an ATV. The average first-time home buyer in the US is 38 and first-timers are only 24% marketshare. You think these folks are worried about contributions while being bled rent? Everyone is making a mad dash to equity because nothing else matters until then. People aren't owning shelter until they are half dead lol.

Not me, of course. I'm better than everyone.
 
Schrodinger's paycheck. Its not enough but its also an ATV. The average first-time home buyer in the US is 38 and first-timers are only 24% marketshare. You think these folks are worried about contributions while being bled rent? Everyone is making a mad dash to equity because nothing else matters until then. People aren't owning shelter until they are half dead lol.

Not me, of course. I'm better than everyone.
The 4 wheeler is fine if there's a use and plan.

Like I traded a gun and ammo and a bit of cash for a diesel Ranger, ran but had "issues" (5k of "cost"
Put maybe $500 into it and probably a few dozen hours over 4 years of use.
Sold it for $12k with it working properly.
Granted that was covid prices, maybe a 7-8k machine now.
 
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