Auto-rx released something causing tick at startup?

[Rick20]

As contaminants are deposited to the filter media, the filter get tighter. What you are viewing in the pics above are an accumulation. I think anyone would be hard pressed to find any particulates of this size within the circulating oil.

Lanolin wax cystals within ARX is a thing of the past. At least a couple years ago. Even back then, the crystals would melt between your finger tips, under gentle rubbing. Best I can tell from the pics is that ARX cleaned some debris from this motor.

 

[Terry]

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or perhaps the filter went into bypass mode and gritty turd went past it.

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Satt, are you reading what I post closely ?

Your TINY TURD would be SAFELY ENCAPSULATED in a protective layer of Auto-RX if that happened.

If you worst case your " probability charts idea" as true many if not most of the folks successfully using the product (including you) would show horrendous oil analysis results during cleaning.

The REAL LIFE results are that normally no one sees an increase in wear, quite the opposite, decreased wear while cleaning ! If your wear increases using RX you have other issues.


Man, I would not recommend this product if it was a poor "turd chaser" ! ( US NAVY term)

Change your shorts, loosen your seatbelt and breath deeply. The terrible effects of Auto-RX are only a dream dude......

Frank's comments and overreaction to any possible negative press may confuse you and others, but the FACT is that the product is solid,safe technology that works.

 

[Frank]

satterfi,Thats exactly where Auto-Rx should be those are wax crystals full of contaminants laying on the metal awaiting rinse. Thanks as it shows how good Auto-Rx works in cleaning.The wax crystals absorb the dirt,contaminants etc

The photo of the filter shows how those wax crystals went right into filter, just as I described in post above.

Of course as stated we improved the delivery system and don't use wax crystals now (your photos are from initial formulation of Auto-Rx if we still used wax crystals I would ask permission to put them on our web site) if any body has any doubt how well we clean, these photos tell the tale.

This old formulation has not been used for 15 months you must have bought Auto-Rx while a sale was going on and just got around to use these bottles / anyhow same great product with same great results.

JMH you would not see wax crystals at all since you used Auto-Rx recently.

[ November 20, 2004, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Frank ]

 

[JHZR2]

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Originally posted by Terry:
If you worst case your " probability charts idea" as true many if not most of the folks successfully using the product (including you) would show horrendous oil analysis results during cleaning.

The REAL LIFE results are that normally no one sees an increase in wear, quite the opposite, decreased wear while cleaning ! If your wear increases using RX you have other issues.

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Respectfully disagree. My first UOA after using auto-Rx was quite high... higher numbers than ever before.

I did it in response to a fixed intake manifold gasket on my 98 chevy s10. I was getting 0.1% glycol, Na and K in my oil.

The wear numbers were pretty high for that one. I dont remember though if I posted them or not. I might dig the numbers up and post them here later. My wer rates went back down after.

My guess was that although the oil was changed regularly, top quality stuff was used, etc., some gunk was formed in there due to the slight leakage going on. But maybe it was grime and gunk building up causing wear, I dont know!

Maybe Ill find at the next UOA that in reality, the 'fix' was actually botched up, and I am doing 'worse for wear', but at this time I doubt it, and limited results thus far show a spike during cleanbing and then a decrease.

I thought it was like the redline hypothesis, where the esters scavenged old junk, causing a spike in wear numbers??? Would that idea carry over to auto-rx????

JMH

 

[Terry]

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did it in response to a fixed intake manifold gasket on my 98 chevy s10. I was getting 0.1% glycol, Na and K in my oil.

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JHRZ: Thats the wear generator source, not RX. Ther might even be others too, like dirt entry and additives in the oil or fuel, and the host oil degrading.

One thing about the esters in RX is that they don't react or set a EP layer that shows increased elemental values. The glycol does react with the soft metals chemically, heating ,and reduced fluid layer.

Takes a while for the microscored softer metal wear to stabilize after a glycol event like this.

Did I perform the interpretation on these samples ? If so email me your name so I can pull the history and review.

Terry

 

[JHZR2]

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Originally posted by Terry:
[QB] JHRZ: Thats the wear generator source, not RX. Ther might even be others too, like dirt entry and additives in the oil or fuel, and the host oil degrading.

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Thats what I figured. My point was though that the wear numbers before auto-rx were much lower. Auto-rx cleaning junk out made a spike in the wear level values, so the values seen while using auto-rx may be WAY off, and cannot be trusted, except maybe for the proof of concept that the cleaning is going on.

Unfortunately I had not used your services, but I think that Ill begin using them for the truck at the minimum, in case that the levels start going up or doing something funny again (the toyota previa with 180k getting 8ppm Fe over 13k OCIs does not seem to be a worthy candidate for 'analysis analysis', but the truck is). What kind of a cost would be incurred to send in a few older analysis numbers and gain insight into them, and then use that knowledge for future work? I assume it would be more involved, as your enot just lookng at one OCI, but a few.

Also, do you work with analysis results not coming from Blackstone? Im really happy with my company, and have a nice database setup because of a lot of work that I do through them. Is it OK to send results as excel or something similar?

Thanks,

JMH

 

[Dr. T]

Sounds like the same cold-start knocking I get only during temps. below 40F and only on occasional mornings on my `94 BMW.

I believe it's either a stuck or worn valve/valve stem or lifter. The auto-rx use may simply be coincidental. You may wish to try FP with or without LC to see if it cures it. I never get this problem while I'm using any fuel system cleaner.

 

[novadude]

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Then your oil filter failed or you did not use enough RX. Auto-RX will safely encapsulate trash like that while it is still free in the oil system, part of the genius of the product.

When used in levels approximating 2 ounces per qt or greater,The ability of Auto-RX to safely solublize and disperse carbonaceous deposits to the oil filter is exactly what satterfi is showing.

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Please tell me we are not saying that using a lower dose of Rx WILL cause problems!

I was running low on Rx, but wanted to treat my Chevy 327. I added 7-9oz, knowing full well that I would not see full benefits, but I never thought it could possible cause problems.

Hopefully I am just misinterpreting.

 

[Bio-T]

As you stated, the only thing you will see with a lesser dose is as you indicated. I have run a 12 ounce dose in a 15quart sump with no problems when I ran out a couple years ago. The only thing was I did not get the full cleaning effect of the Auto-Rx because I did not have enough.

 

[Terry]

JHRZ2, from what you say Auto-Rx cleaned the residual coolant and polymerized oil quite nicely.

Yes, I will intepret any existing oil analysis report ( without prejudice) you employ for $20 each. I use many labs myself but Blackstone/Dyson Analysis #46 package is a great value for the money.

See my ad here www.bobistheoilguy.com/terry.html


Nova. using less RX will not harm a thing.

I want to take this opportunity to make a public apology to Satterfi as he took my comments above to imply that I was demeaning him. I do not think or imply that at all. You are a valued and engineering educated customer and I hold you in high esteem. I have apologized in private but wanted you to know that in public too. Ego does not drive me or my business. I genuinely try to use analysis to answer questions of lubrication and engine tune. I do offend at times because I step on toes when I share what I see. I am not infallible and will admit that readily.

Respectfully, Terry