Auto-rx released something causing tick at startup?

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Terry

I'm curious. AutoRx as a preservative for stored engines?

My curiosity is due to my tractors. Engines and gear trains that sit for months on end without use.

Thanks Neil
 
yeah whats the point of using it for storage? Do the ester components tend to remain on the metal parts?

Thanks,

JMH
 
well, my oil never got black in either phase, and I'm sorry but there is nothing so magical that the oil wont change to start looking black until after 750 miles or as I approach 1500 during the cleaning phase. No, the oil stayed looking nice yellow-brown, more or less like new. Same for the flush portion, left in for about 1500 mi. Never started to look black, dark brown or anything out of the ordinary.

I cut (well, pulled, as they arent in a cannister)apart both filters, and never saw anything that looked abnormal. i was looking for clumps of junk, etc., as seen in the picture linked to above, or in other simialr pics elsewhere on the site. Once again... If it was doing on the engine that was significant, evidence would have been there by 750 miles on the clean phase and 1500 mi on the rinse. Its slow but does not just go from clean to dirty, evidence will be there from day two or so, and build up from there.

So, based upon the metrics given in frank's last post, it is apparent that I didnt really need an auto-rx application in this engine anyway. Thats OK... I just had the bottle that I figured Id use, Im fine with that. And there may have been something that got cleaned or loosened that caused the tapping sound. Gary's post quieted any worries, and all is well. I asked a question about the lifters and the mechanical sound, and so lets talk about that, not 750 vs 1500 mi auto-rx intervals... That wasnt the basis of my question. I might as well have said that I did a 15 minute kerosine flush, I would have gotten less beef about that.

JMH
 
Neil,JMH, yes the esters attach and stick really well, the fluid is a pretty good dispersant and safely holds contaminants. I haven't used it in trans or gearboxes that way but it seems that it would work there too.

Anticorrosive capability is under emphasized by the formualting chemist in my limited opinion.

While it is not miscible with fuels the 120+ octane racing fuels that are 5 years old in the stored car haven't hurt the oil at all, I do periodically crank the engine up and run for a few minutes. The oil is used/raced synergyn 3w-30 with a bottle of RX in 5 qts of oil. The oil is over 5 years old.
 
JMH, physically check the chain tensioner to see if the spring is faulty or damaged, or the chain is too loose.

Let us know what you find.
 
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Originally posted by Yuk:

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posted November 17, 2004 02:13 PM
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Your point is ?

You've got to be joking!!!!
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Frank, Many of us faithfull Auto -Rx users have continued to support you and recommend your product despite the fact that you seem reluctant to believe how confusing your instructions are. These instructions are exasperating customers across North America. It doesn't matter how good a product is, if the customer can't EASILY figure out how to use it, your product's reputation will suffer. You can not blame the customer for this. You must adapt to the market, markets will not adapt to you.


Well said and I couldn't agree more.
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Guys, I have tried to post this before with some sense of dignity and kindness for all.

Frank is a cancer and chemo patient who is fighting for his life and his business. Because I know he is honest and trained early on as a chemist it is hard for me, a puny analyst to correct him publicly. He is also a veteran pilot of a service very few of us realize gave much during multiple wars and non wars.

Having said that I have asked Frank to allow others to speak about Auto-RX like Rick20 and possibly Molakule if he can consult with the chemists at Auto-RX. This way Frank can focus on customer service which is excellent !

I will pay Molakule the consulting fees needed to get him up to speed out of any charges and payments Dyson Analysis incurs for that service to you BITOG members and Auto-RX. He will need to be held under secrecy as any who have tested the product are.

Neither Frank nor Molakule are aware of this offer until now. I will not let a friend like Frank be castigated for what is genuinely a problem with communicating the attributes of the product publicly.

This may not work for conflict of interest reasons but this is a great product and needs to be highlighted properly. I want all to get good service and for Frank to take care of himself, is grandkids and the company.

Mola, Rick and Frank, let me know what you are willing to do.

Terry
 
JHZR2 - I have a car with hydraulic lash adjusters too (1989 Mazda MX-6 GT (turbo 2.2L)). My theory is that as the Auto-Rx is loosening crud in the HLA it sometimes gets stuck in the little hole in the HLA, blocking it from loading up with oil properly. Until the oil pressure overcomes that (short-term) blockage and loads up the HLA with oil you have the ticking sound.

Make sense to you?
 
Michael

That’s sounds quite plausible.

It’s been proven that ARX can cause granular particles in the oil. If they get stuck in the wrong place then bad things can happen.

With any product like ARX, the user takes responsibility for less than desirable results.
 
satterfi opined;
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It’s been proven that ARX can cause granular particles in the oil

I have heard about these waxy particles talked about from others but have never seen them in testing or from independent testing done by a major oil add company.


Esterification of this type product can produce them but they are completely soluble and easily compressed, dissolved by heat and especially any mechanical effort equivocated to a babies grip. In other words, cosmetic.

RX didn't plug anything, carbon maybe but I doubt it.

Rest assured if Auto-RX caused a problem the company would back it up. I haven't seen the product capable of that. I have however seen it uncover underlying mechancial issues.
 
When Auto-Rx first was manufactured our initial method of carring chemistry were wax crystals these crystals never remained in engine oil as they were completely soluble. Excess crystals were deposited along with contaminants in the oil filter and you could take these crystals between your thumb and forfinger and they would melt from your body heat.Absoulutely no way they could plug up an oil screen or piston port.

Over 15 months ago we improved the delivery system of Auto-Rx and no crystals are used, this was done because we found a better way to deliver Auto-Rx chemistry faster.
 
Ticking sounds,engine noises,oil pressure guage reading up or down are not unusual during Auto-Rx application.Your cleaning dirt and other contaminants off the oil lubricated rotating parts in your engine, including your internal engine sensors.Your actual oil pressure is fine.

Oil is lubricating metal in your engine that never got completely lubricated before (oil does not lubricate through dirt etc)until you through the rinse mode of the Auto-Rx application don't be overly concerned. Auto-Rx can cause no harm it only cleans metal safely.

Many posts on this board describing the above and
results after rinse mode. Auto-Rx works if you work it.
 
yuck... I was wondering if Id see stuff like that, especially when I did the treatment on my chevy truck. Fortunately not, as the glycol leak in my truck didnt cause damage. It was small, phew!

JMH
 
Why did you drop the wzx crystals?

I used Auto-RX this spring and found nothing in my filter.
 
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Originally posted by T-Keith:
Why did you drop the wzx crystals?

I used Auto-RX this spring and found nothing in my filter.


Quote from Frank:
Of course as stated we improved the delivery system and don't use wax crystals now. End quote.


New Auto-Rx delivery system allows the chemistry to work faster as it puts all dirt contaminants into a liquid state. As with any product, improvements are made and I personally think this is a very good one.
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[ November 20, 2004, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: 59 Vetteman ]
 
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What if some of this got stuck where it didn't belong?


Then your oil filter failed or you did not use enough RX. Auto-RX will safely encapsulate trash like that while it is still free in the oil system, part of the genius of the product.

When used in levels approximating 2 ounces per qt or greater,The ability of Auto-RX to safely solublize and disperse carbonaceous deposits to the oil filter is exactly what satterfi is showing. That stuff is slowly and methodically carried there in protective micels measured in angstroms. Not in big loads the size of the contaminant clusters we see in the folds of the filter.


I respectfully, DISAGREE with Frank on the method of dispersing. It is possible that we never saw the product with "wax crystals".


The wax crystals as far as Dyson Analysis discerned were a esterification issue not affecting the capability of the product to safely remove and carry harmful contaminants to the awaiting oil filter or safely in suspension in the Auto-RX that is riding in the oil itself.
 
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Originally posted by Terry:
Then your oil filter failed...

or perhaps the filter went into bypass mode and gritty turd went past it.

The point is, that there is possibility, however small, that something could go wrong.

Maybe I've been looking at probability curves too long.
 
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